The Game (2018) | #10 Ohio State vs. #4 TTUN | November 24th, 2018 @ High Noon

[Triple-S]

Wasn’t referring to you, btw. You know I’m cool with you.

You're good and my bad.

just sort of annoyed we're all in this position atm.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Dude you are coming off really salty and I highly doubt this comment would’ve been made had Michigan won today

I’m not salty. It’s laughable people are making this argument with OSU and Alabama.

I think OSU will get in over every other likely 1 loss team. They won’t get in over Bama. They should cheer for them.

I’m not in here saying they shouldn’t get in over the Oklahoma’s of the world. Everyone is going straight to this argument (salty) because it’s the easy out in the OSU threads.

 

[Stark]

This argument operates in a perfect world where all conferences are created equal. Big Ten west is awful. Getting to the SEC champiship is harder than winning the big ten, this year.

I hate the SEC but look at how the top 5 teams in the BIG finished the year. It’s just a bunch of meh. All the teams are just so average and the other good one (Michigan) slep walked against a terrible IU team and got smoked by Ohio State.

The conference championship opponent is an 8-4 team that lost to Akron. Not even sure why some of you guys are wasting time making this argument.

Disagree on this I'm afraid. The SEC East is not good at all, despite however much the media is hyping them up. Georgia walked to the championship game this year. Kentucky has been overrated as shit for some reason, and Florida is not good at all. South Carolina, Missouri, Vandy, and Tennessee is the rest of that division. It's bad, really bad.

SEC West is good. I think Bama and LSU are both teams that could beat anybody in the country on any given night, but that's about it. A&M is definitely solid, but worse than Penn State. Miss State is overrated garbage. Rest of that division is pure sewage.

Definitely not easier to win the B1G outright than it is to make the SEC Champ game. Not even close this season honestly.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Disagree on this I'm afraid. The SEC East is not good at all, despite however much the media is hyping them up. Georgia walked to the championship game this year. Kentucky has been overrated as shit for some reason, and Florida is not good at all. South Carolina, Missouri, Vandy, and Tennessee is the rest of that division. It's bad, really bad.

SEC West is good. I think Bama and LSU are both teams that could beat anybody in the country on any given night, but that's about it. A&M is definitely solid, but worse than Penn State. Miss State is overrated garbage. Rest of that division is pure sewage.

Definitely not easier to win the B1G outright than it is to make the SEC Champ game. Not even close this season honestly.

I’m not sure how you can honestly say this with a straight face.

The SEC east has 3 ranked teams in it and 6 of the 7 teams have winning records.

The Big Ten West has 1 ranked team and that team lost to Akron at home.....who won 4 games. 4 of the 7 teams are MAC level.

For OSU or Michigan, it was definitely easier to win the conference when looking at the landscape. Best the other and just show up in Indy.

 

[-Akronite-]

Ohio State lost by 30 to Purdue. Not sure how you square that when push comes to shove.

Don’t think a conference championship means as much when everyone on the other side shit themselves. That is why Iowa flaming out was going to hurt Michigan or OSU in a situation where they needed an additional resume boost.

I just don’t see how Alabama is out if it’s a close loss. It’s just going to come down to OSU soiling themselves against a bad team.

The point of the playoff is to have the best 4 teams play. Alabama is one of the best 4 teams, with one game to play. When the dust settled on the big ten, it’s pretty ugly looking.

To me, conference championships matter for teams with similar resumes. OSU doesn’t have a similar resume to Alabama, unless they get their hole kicked in by Georgia.

It's not about us IMO. I don't care what happens to Ohio State, we made our bed. It's just dumb that someone could lose a postseason game and keep their title hopes alive. It would be dumb for us to get away with it, it'd be dumb for Bama to get away with it. With a Bama loss you'd have Georgia, Notre Dame, Clemson, Oklahoma, and UCF all left deserving a shot.

In a four team playoff, I don't believe we should ever let a conference have two representatives. Last year was BS even though Bama was the best team. If the system doesn't allow for some chaos, everything becomes less interesting. One way to ensure we know that conference champions are the best/most deserving in their conference? End divisions and just put the top two teams in each championship game.

 

[-Akronite-]

I’m not sure how you can honestly say this with a straight face.

The SEC has 3 ranked teams in it and 6 of the 7 teams have winning records.

The Big Ten West has 1 ranked team and that team lost to Akron at home.....who won 4 games.

For OSU or Michigan, it was definitely easier to win the conference when looking at the landscape. Best the other and just show up in Indy.

But OSU and Michigan both has each other to go through. I think it's ABSOLUTELY debatable that simply making the SEC championship game is tougher than outright winning the Big Ten.

 

[Stark]

I’m not sure how you can honestly say this with a straight face.

The SEC has 3 ranked teams in it and 6 of the 7 teams have winning records.

The Big Ten West has 1 ranked team and that team lost to Akron at home.....who won 4 games.

For OSU or Michigan, it was definitely easier to win the conference when looking at the landscape. Best the other and just show up in Indy.

The SEC has a lot of ranked teams because there’s the established bias that the SEC is far superior to everyone else. Kentucky, Florida, and Miss State are not good at all, but the playoff committee and SEC network operate under the same parent company, so there’s an incentive to try to make the SEC look better than they are.

Bama, Georgia, and LSU are pretty damn good, but the rest of them are no better than Michigan State or Penn State.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I’m not sure how you can honestly say this with a straight face.

The SEC east has 3 ranked teams in it and 6 of the 7 teams have winning records.

The Big Ten West has 1 ranked team and that team lost to Akron at home.....who won 4 games. 4 of the 7 teams are MAC level.

For OSU or Michigan, it was definitely easier to win the conference when looking at the landscape. Best the other and just show up in Indy.

And you don’t think best the other is more difficult than Georgia had it?

 

[I'mWithDan]

It's not about us IMO. I don't care what happens to Ohio State, we made our bed. It's just dumb that someone could lose a postseason game and keep their title hopes alive. It would be dumb for us to get away with it, it'd be dumb for Bama to get away with it. With a Bama loss you'd have Georgia, Notre Dame, Clemson, Oklahoma, and UCF all left deserving a shot.

In a four team playoff, I don't believe we should ever let a conference have two representatives. Last year was BS even though Bama was the best team. If the system doesn't allow for some chaos, everything becomes less interesting. One way to ensure we know that conference champions are the best/most deserving in their conference? End divisions and just put the top two teams in each championship game.

Isn’t the point of a playoff to determine the best team? Beyond that, there aren’t other things people should be concerned with. It’s not the best team out of the best team from each conference. They could have made it that but didn’t.

I’m not sure how anyone watches the Big Ten or Big 12 or whatever conference UCF plays in and THIS year, thinks any of those confernces absolutely deserves a team in when you look at the year end resume.

I think OSU should get in over Oklahoma, 1 loss ND, etc. but I don’t understand why people think a top 5 loss at a nuetral site should eliminate a team when other teams have 1 loss. I don’t care if it’s the first or last game. Stack the resumes and pick the team you think is better.

 

[I'mWithDan]

The SEC has a lot of ranked teams because there’s the established bias that the SEC is far superior to everyone else. Kentucky, Florida, and Miss State are not good at all, but the playoff committee and SEC network operate under the same parent company, so there’s an incentive to try to make the SEC look better than they are.

Bama, Georgia, and LSU are pretty damn good, but the rest of them are no better than Michigan State or Penn State.

How many points does NW lose by to any of the top 3-4 teams in the SEC east?

I agree there is SEC bias. I also think NW isn’t good. They’re easily the worst division rep out of the big 5 leagues that have title games.

 

[col63onel]

lol at the Michigan fan trying to come in here and talk shit about the playoff. No one cares dude. Your team got waxed again. Byeeeeeee.

Like when Browns fans have to wait until Pittsburgh is knocked out to celebrate. Michigan is the Browns of cfb.

 

[Triple-S]

If the system doesn't allow for some chaos, everything becomes less interesting.

We get chaos but it always goes in the favor of forcing into watching some bad national championship game as a result.

2000, 2003, 2011 all come to mind.

 

[-Akronite-]

Isn’t the point of a playoff to determine the best team? Beyond that, there aren’t other things people should be concerned with. It’s not the best team out of the best team from each conference. They could have made it that but didn’t.

I’m not sure how anyone watches the Big Ten or Big 12 or whatever conference UCF plays in and THIS year, thinks any of those confernces absolutely deserves a team in when you look at the year end resume.

I think OSU should get in over Oklahoma, 1 loss ND, etc. but I don’t understand why people think a top 5 loss at a nuetral site should eliminate a team when other teams have 1 loss. I don’t care if it’s the first or last game. Stack the resumes and pick the team you think is better.

I'm not saying these aren't fair points, I'm stating my opinion on the matter. I think the playoff should allow us to see more teams get a shot at the title. It's lame to see the same teams play for the title, especially teams that may have already played each other. And the difference between other losses and that neutral site loss, is that it's a post-season game. To think that someone could play for a chance to be the best in their conference and lose and still go to the playoffs is somehow way worse than Alabama missing their conference game and getting in.

We get chaos but it always goes in the favor of forcing into watching some bad national championship game as a result.

2000, 2003, 2011 all come to mind.

So we should ignore 2012? Or the fact that Ohio State actually performing in their conference title leading to a great 2015 playoffs?

 

[I'mWithDan]

And you don’t think best the other is more difficult than Georgia had it?

4 weeks ago, I thought the BIG was better than it was. Lots of really sloppy play all around by every team at the top.

I think the SEC is getting a slight boost and it depends on your view of those middle teams to say that definitively.

Georgia’s loss doesn’t look great but it was on the road to LSU, which most would say is a good but flawed team. Then they played the Florida’s, UK’s, Auburn’s etc. of the world.

It also depends on how you view Michigan after that game. Not sure what most people think after such a horrendous performance. I think Michigan is better than what they showed but I would imagine most wouldn’t like them against any of the top 4 teams in the SEC post showing. Again, I don’t think that is totally fair but they gave up 62 and couldn’t perform basic tasks.

So sure, it’s debatable, we can leave it at that, I just think the BIG ten really nose dived to finish the year. No team had a great stretch to end the year. OSU had a huge exclamation point but spent the prior week nearly losing to Maryland.

 

[Triple-S]

So we should ignore 2012? Or the fact that Ohio State actually performing in their conference title leading to a great 2015 playoffs?

Huh?

I was trying to say CFB fans as a whole has been "punished" by them using this current system, not so much OSU.

OSU was well deserving of playing in 2002-2003, 2006-2007, 2007-2008, 2012-2013 (fuck the NCAA), and 2014-2015.

At this point? I have them penciled in at 4. Unless OU blows UT out of the water in Dallas and OSU loses/squeaks by Northwestern? they're probably in to me.

But that's me.