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Shit is becoming so common, it seems like having a general thread is necessary.

So, 22 July 2016. Munich, Germany. Despite the respectful "We don't know why," I'm sure we know why:

Munich Gunman Killed 9, Wounded 16 Before Killing Himself, Police Say

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"An 18-year-old German-Iranian man opened fire in a crowded Munich shopping mall and a nearby McDonald's Friday night, killing nine people and wounding 16 others before killing himself, the chief of police in the Bavarian capital said.

Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae told a news conference early Saturday that the suspect was a dual citizen from Munich and his motive was still "fully unclear." He said it was too early to label the attack an act of terrorism; earlier police said they had no indication of Islamic extremism.

"The question of terrorism or a rampage is tied to motive, and we don't know the motive," Andrae said.

Police gave a "cautious all clear" in the pre-dawn hours Saturday, more than seven hours after the attack began and brought much of the city to a standstill as all public transit systems were shut down amid a massive manhunt. They said a body found near the scene was that of the shooter and he appeared to have acted alone and killed himself as he fled."


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-munich-shooting-20160722-story.html
 
More disaffected youth in Europe. They need to combat unemployment.
 
So, 22 July 2016. Munich, Germany. Despite the respectful "We don't know why," I'm sure we know why:

Every report I'm seeing has this latest shooting pegged as a run of the mill mass shooting with no terrorist or ISIS connections.

It is understandable that the immediate assumption is that every mass killing has ISIS involvement as a motive or sub motive. This one looks like a mentally disturbed 18 year old and not political/religiously motivated.
 
I guess at least it's not just here in the US anymore?

I mean I know that's morbid, but these same other countries have been criticizing us for years...
 
that one wasn't ISIS, but this one today was

ISIS is claiming responsibility for killing dozens of people during a peaceful demonstration by a minority group in Kabul, Afghanistan, Saturday.

"I saw tens of people laying down in blood around me and hundreds of people running away from the scene," said Fatima Faizi, an Afghan freelance journalist.

So far, 80 bodies and more than 260 wounded people were taken to hospitals in Kabul, according to Ismail Kawoosi, a spokesman for the Afghan Health Ministry

The attack, the worst in terms of casualties in months, drew attention to ISIS instead of the Taliban, which had been blamed for recent bombings.

Two ISIS fighters detonated their suicide belts among the protesters, according to ISIS' media wing, Amaq. A third attacker was killed by security forces before detonating his bomb, according to an Afghan security official speaking on condition of anonymity.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/asia/afghanistan-explosion/index.html
 
Every report I'm seeing has this latest shooting pegged as a run of the mill mass shooting with no terrorist or ISIS connections.

It is understandable that the immediate assumption is that every mass killing has ISIS involvement as a motive or sub motive. This one looks like a mentally disturbed 18 year old and not political/religiously motivated.

My bad.
 
From nymag.com:

The Psychology of Why Americans Are Afraid of Historically Low Crime Levels

By Drake Baer

Last night at the Republican National Convention, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani riffed on the evening’s theme of Make America Safe Again. The 2008 presidential candidate simultaneously mongered and captured American fear. “I’m here to speak to you about a very serious subject, how to make America safe,” he said. “The vast majority of Americans today do not feel safe. They fear for their children, they fear for themselves. They fear for our police officers, who are being targeted with a target on their back. It’s time to make America safe again.” And Trump — you guessed it — is the guy do to it. But let’s look at the data.

In describing anxiety among Americans, Giuliani is correct: Pew research indicates that since the early 2000s, every year a majority of Americans surveyed have felt that crime has increased since the year previous. According to a 2014 Gallup poll, 70 percent of Americans think that the crime rate is increasing, up from 63 percent in 2013. But the reality is that America is getting safer. The national crime rate is about half of what it was at the peak in 1991.

What’s tremendously aggravating is that Giuliani, and, in turn, the GOP, speak about making America safe “again.” He said that Trump “will make America, like the president I worked for, Ronald Reagan, once again be the shining City on the Hill.” But here’s the thing: During Reagan’s presidency, which lasted from 1981 to 1989, America was way more dangerous than it is today. In that era, there was an average of 20,377 murders a year in the U.S. There were 14,249 in 2014, the latest year with official FBI data. Meanwhile, the U.S. population has grown from 229 million to 310 million, a 35 percent increase, driving down the per capita rates. There’s also never been a safer time to be a child in America, and while an average of 101 police officers were intentionally killed every year during Reagan’s presidency, the annual number is just 62 under Obama — the lowest recorded amount.

The disconnect astounds. In his crunching of the numbers around Americans’ perception of crime, Pew Research Center founding director Andrew Kohut made the polite academic equivalent of a shruggie: “Why public views on crime have grown more dire is unclear, though many blame it on the nature of news coverage, reality TV, and political rhetoric.” In an email with Science of Us, Brooklyn College sociologist Alex Vitale, who specializes in policing and crime, was more direct, saying that now that crime rates are so low, people have “very little direct experience of crime,” so their perceptions are mainly shaped by news media and entertainment. “Both of these present profoundly inaccurate pictures of the amount of serious crime,” he writes.”The mainstream media continue to live by if it bleeds it leads. I’ve found that if the TV news doesn’t have a horrific local crime story they just pick one up from another city.” Entertainment is just as bad, he says, or worse: Crime dramas continue to captivate, and, according to Vitale, these often feature horrific criminals like serial killers and child abductors. “This creates a constant background noise,” he says, where various crimes are “everywhere and horrific and incomprehensible in nature.” More banal, poverty-driven crime is rarely featured on the news or in broadcast procedurals, he says, aside from ride-along reality-TV crime shows like COPS, which are shot from the “perspective of the always moral and moralizing police officer.” Indeed, separate research indicates that blacks are finally being less overrepresented as the perpetrators of crimes on broadcast news, while Latinos are being overrepresented as undocumented immigrants and Muslims are “greatly overrepresented as terrorists on network and cable news programs.”

This is crucial, since as cultural critic Walter Lippman argued in Public Opinion in 1922, people don’t rely on critical thinking or have ready access to facts to make sense of their world; they lean on the “pictures in their heads,” informed by the media they’re exposed to. In 1973, the superstar psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman coined the availability heuristic, whereby people estimate how likely things are to happen based on how frequently they’re exposed to those things or their representations. Since you don’t know the actual statistic, you use a heuristic — a shortcut for thinking — of coming up with an example to guess at the prevalence. So, if everything you watch or read is telling you that crime is lurking around you, you might assume that it is — even if the data indicates otherwise.
 
yeah, it appears the shooting wasn't connected but I still think this is a worthwhile thread
 
Every report I'm seeing has this latest shooting pegged as a run of the mill mass shooting with no terrorist or ISIS connections.

It is understandable that the immediate assumption is that every mass killing has ISIS involvement as a motive or sub motive. This one looks like a mentally disturbed 18 year old and not political/religiously motivated.

Sadly, I don't think we can trust what the European media or German police say about this. Plenty of evidence that they've tried to minimize evidence of Muslim/immigrant involvement in prior crimes, including Cologne. Doesn't fit with their government's preferred narrative.

Whether or not he was actually acting in the name of ISIS, specifically, is sort of a dodge. Was he motivated in any way by anti-Western/pro-Muslim sentiment? We don't know, and I doubt they'd tell us if they did.

That's just the reality that the German government has created. They simply aren't trustworthy on these issues. So, I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm just saying that I don't trust the German government's version of events to be truthful. No comments on what they found on his computer, etc...The lack of any detail at all seems...unusual.
 
Sadly, I don't think we can trust what the European media or German police say about this. Plenty of evidence that they've tried to minimize evidence of Muslim/immigrant involvement in prior crimes, including Cologne. Doesn't fit with their government's preferred narrative.

Whether or not he was actually acting in the name of ISIS, specifically, is sort of a dodge. Was he motivated in any way by anti-Western/pro-Muslim sentiment? We don't know, and I doubt they'd tell us if they did.

That's just the reality that the German government has created. They simply aren't trustworthy on these issues. So, I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm just saying that I don't trust the German government's version of events to be truthful. No comments on what they found on his computer, etc...The lack of any detail at all seems...unusual.

All indications point to this guy being inspired by Breivik. Shooting happened on the 5 year anniversary of the terror in Norway. I don't know if he was targeting Muslims, but 7 of the victims were Muslim if I recall correctly. Seems to be the opposite of Islamic terror. Should get swept under the rug rather quickly.
 
All indications point to this guy being inspired by Breivik. Shooting happened on the 5 year anniversary of the terror in Norway. I don't know if he was targeting Muslims, but 7 of the victims were Muslim if I recall correctly. Seems to be the opposite of Islamic terror. Should get swept under the rug rather quickly.

Okay, what have the Germans released supporting the idea that it was inspired by Brevik? I'm not saying that isn't the case -- I'm just saying that I personally haven't seen any details. The details may well exist and I've missed them, but I've looked and really haven't seen anything.
 
Okay, what have the Germans released supporting the idea that it was inspired by Brevik? I'm not saying that isn't the case -- I'm just saying that I personally haven't seen any details. The details may well exist and I've missed them, but I've looked and really haven't seen anything.

"In a raid on his family apartment in an affluent suburb of Munich, police discovered extremist material linked to mass shootings, including the attack by Anders Behring Breivik, the white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

The massacre in Munich took place on the fifth anniversary of the Norway attacks and Sonboly had recently changed a profile picture on an online messaging service to one of Breivik."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...man-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/
 

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