The General Terrorist Rampage Thread

[gourimoko]

You don't want Latino judges so they can go easy on Latino defendants. What the hell is going on here?

What the hell is going on here is exactly what I'm thinking....

Pretty remarkable isn't it?

 

[-Akronite-]

It was "stupid as hell." Now it was "stereotyping." Will Q admit that it was just racist? Because if not, then yes you are continuing to defend what he did. I'm not trying to "getcha" or have some a-ha moment, just want to know that your reasoning isn't as bent to bias as it has seemed lately.

Also hilarious how Q has made an equivalence between people pushing back against a historically racially prejudiced court system and an asshole thinking a Mexican (who is actually American) shouldn't be allowed to decide his university scam case.

 

[Cavatt]

It was "stupid as hell." Now it was "stereotyping." Will Q admit that it was just racist? Because if not, then yes you are continuing to defend what he did. I'm not trying to "getcha" or have some a-ha moment, just want to know that your reasoning isn't as bent to bias as it has seemed lately.

Also hilarious how Q has made an equivalence between people pushing back against a historically racially prejudiced court system and an asshole thinking a Mexican (who is actually American) shouldn't be allowed to decide his university scam case.

Stereotyping based on race is not racist it is .... uh.. It is..

 

[Whittaker]

It was racist, because he's a Republican

Fixed that for you.

 

[gourimoko]

Fixed that for you.

Yeah.. no... even Republicans, including Paul Ryan, called this comment about Curiel "racist." In fact, saying it was "a textbook example of a racist comment."

This shouldn't be a team-sport issue.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Fixed that for you.

Yeah, no. Shit like this makes it worse.

This is not a republican vs democrat issue. This isn't a liberal vs progressive vs conservative issue.

People need to start viewing shit as a right vs wrong issue again. Too much taking one side, refusing to budge on supporting things that are clearly wrong just because it toes a party line, etc. Both parties. Not singling one out, as both parties are guilty of this.

But there are too many examples of previous groups who have progressed into governing themselves in that type of climate (my side is always right, your side is always wrong) that have led to terrible results throughout the course of human history.

We are entering dangerous territory the more we resort to arguing and governing in the fashion that you just used in this post.

 

[Whittaker]

Paul Ryan would eat an orphanage if he thought it would improve his political career.

 

[-Akronite-]

Paul Ryan would eat an orphanage because he's a Republican.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Whittaker]

We are entering dangerous territory the more we resort to arguing and governing in the fashion that you just used in this post.

We entered dangerous territory many months ago.
And what I said is the prevailing view among the left wing.
They believe that most republicans and the people that vote for them are stupid, racist, sexist, deranged and/or evil.(pick three)
Deplorable, in a word.
Let's face reality. If any other republican nominee had won the presidency, the same exact people on here would be declaring that he is at least three of those things.
It is a narrative that the democratic party has fully committed to. There can be no retreat.
They have held to it through massive losses at all levels of government.
The democratic party and their message is in complete shambles, so they must attack attack attack.
I am not taking Trump's side or the republican side.
They are also a rudderless party that cannot legislate or present quality candidates. The only thing they have going for them is that the American people think they are slightly less contemptible than democrats.
Again, I offer proof in the form of actual facts...election results.
Those are much more convincing than media spin, biased polls and partisan orgasms.

 

[BimboColesHair]

We entered dangerous territory many months ago.
And what I said is the prevailing view among the left wing.
They believe that most republicans and the people that vote for them are stupid, racist, sexist, deranged and/or evil.(pick three)
Deplorable, in a word.
Let's face reality. If any other republican nominee had won the presidency, the same exact people on here would be declaring that he is at least three of those things.
It is a narrative that the democratic party has fully committed to. There can be no retreat.
They have held to it through massive losses at all levels of government.
The democratic party and their message is in complete shambles, so they must attack attack attack.
I am not taking Trump's side or the republican side.
They are also a rudderless party that cannot legislate or present quality candidates. The only thing they have going for them is that the American people think they are slightly less contemptible than democrats.
Again, I offer proof in the form of actual facts...election results.
Those are much more convincing than media spin, biased polls and partisan orgasms.

Should I now have the left wing list out what they believe most republicans think democrats are? High hippies, people living off of government money, snowflakes, and cucks?

Like I said, works both ways. Both are guilty of this.

Hopefully soon enough we realize both party platforms have heir good ideas and beliefs and their bad ideas and beliefs, and that combining the 2 sets to work together will be better than the alternative, which we are trending towards.

And I'm sorry. Remind me again what proof did you have that akronite believes all Republicans are racists to make your stupid "fixed that for you" post, if all you do is "offer proof in the form of actual facts"?

 

[-Akronite-]

They believe that most republicans and the people that vote for them are stupid, racist, sexist, deranged and/or evil.(pick three)

Not quite. Trump voters and especially his continued supporters absolutely get those words regularly.

Republicans in general, or people that support their work in congress, are mostly seen as highly partisan hacks who at best are complicit in Trump's various evils and at worst sold the country out in order to steal a Supreme Court seat.

I'm not saying these extreme views are good or right, just want to clarify what I see from the left.

Let's face reality. If any other republican nominee had won the presidency, the same exact people on here would be declaring that he is at least three of those things.

A lot of people wouldn't though. A lot of the left is outraged in large part because they hate Trump as a person. They get emotional because he's a huge asshole who openly espouses all the things they've been accusing the GOP of for years. He's, in a way, done a huge favor for Republicans because the next guy who acts with any sort of decorum can probably sneak his policy past most apathetic liberals and pretend they are moderate because they act with dignity (see: Kasich 2020).

Just look at all the liberals who will Retweet people like David Frum just because they are willing to turn on Trump. It's preposterous.

Now, those various accusations would still exist, you are correct. Largely because Trump's policies, for the most part, aren't that far from the GOP platform itself. So yes, the people that would bother to pay attention would be making similar accusations because underlying policy would have the same outcome.

Trump exacerbates these issues and inflates the reaction because he says less than covert racist things, has a cartoonish ego, and is so clearly unqualified for the job even if we forget policy and personality.

 

[Whittaker]

I've toyed with the idea of starting 2 topics. one titled The Republican Party and one titled The Democratic Party.
Then inviting people to honestly discuss the path forward for those parties and the policies they should advance. We could also discuss the promising future leaders and the reforms they might enact that would win one party or another the confidence of the American people so that actual governing might ensue.
Then I wake up from my alcohol induced daydream.
Both sides believe there can be no good government while the other side is in power. They believe the very first step forward must be the defeat of the other side. The second step is acquiring and consolidating power. Then its time to feast on the spoils of won power. Governing is incidental.
ObamaCare is a good example.
Republicans want it repealed...not because they have a better idea, but because ObamaCare is of the democratic party. It must fall.
Democrats want ObamaCare retained, not because it is successful, but because it is theirs. It must continue.
Team sports indeed!
But I'm not playing. I'm just calling out the drunken fans without shirts.

 

[Cavatt]

I'd like to see a Republican Presidential candidate not invoke the "Southern Strategy" and then I would be less likely to call their overall goals racist. Watching McCain turn hard right in that way during his campaign made me feel like he had compromised his best feature his integrity. Those weren't his views, but he seemed like he resigned himself to this disgusting plan that has been used over and over.

 

[Whittaker]

Republicans in general, or people that support their work in congress, are mostly seen as highly partisan hacks who at best are complicit in Trump's various evils and at worst sold the country out in order to steal a Supreme Court seat.

They are only seen that way by their mirrors on the other side.
Partisan democrats see republicans as evil or abetting evil.
Partisan republicans see democrats as evil or abetting evil.
Those two groups are fueling the culture war and dominating the media, which benefits from the rancor.
This is my point...people in both of these groups are harming the country with their inability to see any good intentions in the other side.
To say, "Trump believes that all illegals or Mexicans are rapist or drug dealers" is the partisan equivalent of saying "Obama believes there are 57 states".
Both are partisan insincere crap.
I call them out.
Because I can.

 

[-Akronite-]

They are only seen that way by their mirrors on the other side.
Partisan democrats see republicans as evil or abetting evil.
Partisan republicans see democrats as evil or abetting evil.
Those two groups are fueling the culture war and dominating the media, which benefits from the rancor.

I don't think anyone would disagree. What I would state though is the state of the dichotomy does not mean that the ideas the two opposing and increasingly polarized sides are the same or that they are truly equivalent. But whatever.

This is my point...people in both of these groups are harming the country with their inability to see any good intentions in the other side.

To an extent, yes. And in terms of political discourse, absolutely yes.

To say, "Trump believes that all illegals or Mexicans are rapist or drug dealers" is the partisan equivalent of saying "Obama believes there are 57 states".
Both are partisan insincere crap.
I call them out.
Because I can.

This is laughably wrong. To equate these two is the problem we've been talking about since the old fake news thread.

Obama accidentally said 57. It was a slip of the tongue and perhaps the mind as well. It is a verifiable fact that we have 50 states and if you asked him he'd say the same.

Trump kicked off his campaign by stating:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

This is a statement that easily can be seen as offensive against Mexicans in general. But let's give the benefit of the doubt and say he just means illegal immigrants. He finished with some I assume are good people. That's stating explicitly that most of the people crossing our border are criminals that we should fear. He doubles down on this with comments about "bad hombres" and his wall bullshit. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS A SLIP OF THE TONGUE, THIS IS HOW HE STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT. THESE ARE THE WORDS HE WANTED PEOPLE TO HEAR.

Does he truly believe everything he says? I doubt it since everything out of his mouth is a lie. He's using his racist words to get racist support. I don't know what the man truly believes in other than himself. He's a pile of shit and he says and does racist things, sooooo... Ya know?