The General Terrorist Rampage Thread

[Whittaker]

It is a verifiable fact that we have 50 states and if you asked him he'd say the same.

It is a verifiable fact that all illegals and Mexican are not rapists or drug dealers and if you asked Trump he'd say the same.

Let's stop playing this game.
You can think Trump is evil if you want but why waste time trying to convince everyone else.
He got elected after saying those things. Doesn't that convince you that America didn't interpret those statements the way you did? And if half of America doesn't believe that interpretation why is it such a big deal that I also don't?
Can't you agree to disagree with half of America and move on to something substantial?

 

[Whittaker]

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

This is a statement that easily can be seen as offensive against Mexicans in general. But let's give the benefit of the doubt and say he just means illegal immigrants. He finished with some I assume are good people. That's stating explicitly that most of the people crossing our border are criminals that we should fear.

I have no problem with this statement by Trump if he is talking about illegals.
If I came home to find that 20 people had jumped my fence and were in my backyard drinking my beer, I might say something similar..."I assume some of these are good people who did something stupid but they committed crimes and I can't trust that they don't have further crimes in mind."
Back over the fence they go!

 

[-Akronite-]

It is a verifiable fact that all illegals and Mexican are not rapists or drug dealers and if you asked Trump he'd say the same.

No all. Most. And then perhaps he'd backtrack with a "well many" or "a tremendous amount" or "a lot of people are talking about the" because this is a fudgeable idea that he can throw out there and get what he wants.

What's the ulterior motive behind Obama saying there are 57 states? It's a brain fart, pretending that these are somehow the same is completely irrational.

Let's stop playing this game.

As soon as you stop playing the false equivalence game? I'm not playing a game here.

You can think Trump is evil if you want but why waste time trying to convince everyone else.

Well that assumes evil actually exists, but that's semantics to your point probably. He's a shit human being in as close to objective terms as you can get, and that's without even considering his shit politics.

He got elected after saying those things. Doesn't that convince you that America didn't interpret those statements the way you did?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes, plenty of people, like you, gave him an undeserved benefit of the doubt that he just meant that there's a general problem with immigration or... something. But he also had a cult-like base that listened to him and believes the words he says. And he has plenty of people that KNEW he was being racist or at least stupid or brash or something and decided that THIS DIDN'T MATTER compared to the things they wanted from him. The fact that he got elected only shows how many Americans don't prioritize such a thing.

And if half of America doesn't believe that interpretation why is it such a big deal that I also don't?

It was racism. Any backtracking he's done to come off as not racist doesn't silence his dog-whistles and only served to tell white people on the fence it was okay to hop over. Same reason he went to that black church. See? He's willing to touch them, he's not all bad, vote for his racist policies.

Can't you agree to disagree with half of America and move on to something substantial?

The fact that you don't think it's substantial for a president to kick off his campaign with racist rhetoric against the nation's largest immigrant population is my problem.

 

[-Akronite-]

I have no problem with this statement by Trump if he is talking about illegals.
If I came home to find that 20 people had jumped my fence and were in my backyard drinking my beer, I might say something similar..."I assume some of these are good people who did something stupid but they committed crimes and I can't trust that they don't have further crimes in mind."
Back over the fence they go!

Yeah, that's not what he said and still... yikes.

EDIT: I mean your analogy paints the left's issue pretty well though. You and many on the right see this as their country, as if it's your house. And that people coming here more than likely have bad motives. But that isn't the truth.

 

[Whittaker]

The fact that you don't think it's substantial for a president to kick off his campaign with racist rhetoric against the nation's largest immigrant population is my problem.

Because I don't think a position opposing illegal immigration is racist rhetoric.
I don't think like you. We agree on that.
A huge chunk of America agrees with you and a huge chunk agrees with me.
If you can't get over the last election, that is indeed your problem.

Keys said something awhile back about being totally perplexed as to why people voted for Trump.
I suggest that you and him go out and talk to some of the decent honest people and maybe you will begin to understand. You may not agree with them but maybe you'll stop seeing all of them as ignorant and amoral.

 

[Whittaker]

You and many on the right see this as their country

True
Can't speak for "many on the right" but I see this as my country.

 

[David.]

Because I don't think a position opposing illegal immigration is racist rhetoric.
I don't think like you. We agree on that.
A huge chunk of America agrees with you and a huge chunk agrees with me.
If you can't get over the last election, that is indeed your problem.

Keys said something awhile back about being totally perplexed as to why people voted for Trump.
I suggest that you and him go out and talk to some of the decent honest people and maybe you will begin to understand. You may not agree with them but maybe you'll stop seeing all of them as ignorant and amoral.

For the record, 83% of Americans want immigration AT Least slowed down.

And their intentions are one thing. Doesn't mean their impact is another.

 

[David.]

True

Right. It is. There is no country, anywhere, that doeant have borders. And if you have open borders, a welfare state, and a bunch of new voters that want to depend on bigger govt and welfare, your economy is going to collapse.

 

[AZ_]

Not sure what gave people the impression that we have open borders.

Oh, nvm yes I do.

The panicked rhetoric of people who believe illegal immigrants are criminals sucking up all the welfare and not contributing anything.

 

[David.]

Not sure what gave people the impression that we have open borders.

Oh, nvm yes I do.

The panicked rhetoric of people who believe illegal immigrants are criminals sucking up all the welfare and not contributing anything.

Based on what Akronite is saying, sounds like he's implying he wants open borders.

There are sanctuary cities that will do what they can to keep ice away.

Illegal immigrants literally are criminals and I believe a majority are on welfare. And historically vote for these programs, and bigger government.

In any event, he's pushing a strawman. The only argument against immigration isn't racism. There's actual reasons why people oppose it

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

This is a statement that easily can be seen as offensive against Mexicans in general. But let's give the benefit of the doubt and say he just means illegal immigrants. He finished with some I assume are good people. That's stating explicitly that most of the people crossing our border are criminals that we should fear.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

You can infer that "some" actually meant "the majority", or you can simply believe that "some" is ambiguous in terms of whether they are a majority or a minority.

But in either case, he did not explicitly say that the majority of the people crossing the border "are criminals that we should fear."

 

[gourimoko]

Illegal immigrants literally are criminals and I believe a majority are on welfare.

That's demonstrably false, Dave. Most federally funded welfare programs are unavailable to "illegal immigrants" by law. Most states do not provide welfare assistance to the undocumented.

And historically vote for these programs, and bigger government.

That's false. "Illegal immigrants" are barred from voting in the United States.

In any event, he's pushing a strawman. The only argument against immigration isn't racism. There's actual reasons why people oppose it

Sure, I agree with that; but, obviously a lot of those reasons are false...

 

[David.]

That's demonstrably false, Dave. Most federally funded welfare programs are unavailable to "illegal immigrants" by law. Most states do not provide welfare assistance to the undocumented.



That's false. "Illegal immigrants" are barred from voting in the United States.



Sure, I agree with that; but, obviously a lot of those reasons are false...

Just, before we keep doing this, you are still going to continue conversation with me even when I've told you u I dont care to have them?

Illegal immigrants have children. Children get benefits. You know this.

44% of legal immigrants are on welfare. We werent speaking about illegal immigrants, but we can address that too. If you think illegal immigrants who normally have no connections and are less likely to speak english are able to work and provide for themselves more than legal immigrants, I'll just say I really doubt it man.

Many here illegally are using false information, so again, hardly means they cannot get benefits

It doesn't matter in California whether you're legal or not you get registered when you get your license. It's hardly barred. Back to legal immigrants, which is what we have been discussing, they vote left, and you know this.

 

[Cavatt]

Also, tighter borders make it harder for undocumented workers to return to Mexico and then come back, so they just stay instead. Thanks Wall! Most undocumented workers come here on vacay totally legally and then just don't go back. The wall and tight borders do not help that at all.

 

[pr26]

Based on what Akronite is saying, sounds like he's implying he wants open borders.

There are sanctuary cities that will do what they can to keep ice away.

Illegal immigrants literally are criminals and I believe a majority are on welfare. And historically vote for these programs, and bigger government.

In any event, he's pushing a strawman. The only argument against immigration isn't racism. There's actual reasons why people oppose it

Belief does not equal truth.....and please don't tell me you are one of these "5 million illegals voted in the last election" folks.

Agreed regarding immigration though, wanting stronger immigration reform is not necessarily racist. Sadly though, a lot of justifications being peddled out there for immigration reform lean on fear and race.