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The General Terrorist Rampage Thread

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by King Stannis, Jul 23, 2016.

  1. David.

    David. Liberal

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    Thanks Jack, we needed this
     
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    pr26 NBA Starter

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    This response is literally just a personal attack on me, marked winner by people I was trying to talk respectfully with. Cool.

    I respect the board enough to not get into a personal back and forth. Have a good one. Brb gonna go beat off to my gourimoko shrine made of food stamps.

    @David I'll respond later
     
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  3. TyGuy

    TyGuy With the Left hand!

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    Saudi Arabia boosting extremism in Europe, says former ambassador
    Sir William Patey says Riyadh may not be aware of how its support for a ‘certain brand of Islam’ is leading to radicalisation

    • Saudi Arabia has been funding mosques throughout Europe that have become hotbeds of extremism, the former British ambassador to Saudi Arabia Sir William Patey has said.

      His remarks come a day after the government published a brief summary of a Home Office-commissioned report into the funding of extremism in the UK. The full report is not being published for security reasons.

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      Patey said he did not believe Saudi Arabia was directly funding terrorist groups, but rather an ideology that leads to extremism, and suggested that its leaders might not be aware of the consequences. “It is unhealthy and we need to do something about it,” he said.

      “The Saudis [have] not quite appreciated the impact their funding of a certain brand of Islam is having in the countries in which they do it – it is not just Britain and Europe.

      “That is a dialogue we need to have. They are not funding terrorism. They are funding something else, which may down the road lead to individuals being radicalised and becoming fodder for terrorism.”

      Patey said the Saudis “find it every easy to back off the idea that they are funding terrorism because they are not.

      “What the World Association [sic] of Muslim Youth and the Muslim World League are doing is funding mosques and promoting an ideology – the Salifist Wahhabist ideology.”

      He called for clarity on the definition of funding terrorism and “a grownup dialogue with the Gulf about what we think”. There were also “individual Gulf citizens that defied their governments to fund terrorism,” Patey added.

      Patey, who was the UK ambassador to Riyadh from 2006 to 2010 and previously head of the Foreign Office Middle East desk, also questioned whether Saudi Arabia and its allies had worked out the implications of their bitter dispute with Qatar.

      Three Gulf States – Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) – along with Egypt, have sought to isolate Qatar diplomatically and economically, citing its support for terrorism and groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

      “This has all the hallmarks of a policy that has not been thought through. It does not smack of a considered strategy,” Patey said at roundtable discussion in London organised by the Conservative Middle East Council.

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      “It is not a smart move even if you are sympathetic to their vision. It is a short cut to achieve something quickly and I think they miscalculated and I think they did think that with Trump behind them, Qatar would back down. They raised these stakes because they thought Qatar would back down in the end, so I think they were a bit surprised.”

      The boycott had backfired, he argued and far from leading to a coup in Qatar, a cult had developed around the newly popular emir. “The Qataris are rallying round their leadership,” Patey said.

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      He said he believed the true motive for the dispute was not Qatar’s funding of terrorism, but a wider difference in political vision. “This is about the Muslim Brotherhood. It is a battle for the future of the Middle East,” he said.

      Patey also questioned whether all the emirates within the UAE were united behind the boycott. “This is about Abu Dhabi asserting its dominance in foreign policy issues, because this is not in Dubai’s interest,” he said.

      Speaking at the same event, Michael Stephens, the head of the Royal United Services Institute Qatar desk, said the Gulf row may lead to an intractable dispute that could prompt investors to think seriously about disinvesting across the Gulf.

      “We are now facing five weeks of the conflict when most people thought it would last 72 hours,” he said, calling for a series of de-escalatory measures leading to a joint agreement to fight extremism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ng-extremism-in-europe-says-former-ambassador

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  4. jking948

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    I saw this. I've been saying for years that the US needs to end its relationship with Saudi Arabia. Worst ally we have, imo. So I think Patey is correct.
     
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  5. TyGuy

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    I hate how everybody turns a blind eye to all of Saudia Arabias bullshit. This includes Trump who I thought would take a tougher stance on these assholes. Didn't he criticize them routinely in the past? And now that he's in office they seem to be okay in his book.
     
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    Trump is close friends with people in the Saudi royal family. That was one of the biggest reasons I opposed him. Same with Tillerson. But the latter has been a breath of fresh air, surprisingly.

    Also, I don't want to paint the Qatari leadership as being bunnies and rainbows... they are awful in their own way. But the Saudis, unlike the Qataris, actively fight US interests.
     
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  7. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    Re-watched a couple Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes this weekend.

    Very prescient. If you have Netflix, watch:

    Homefront and Paradise Lost from Season Four.

    @gourimoko
     
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    Wrathe In the Rotation

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    You believe Trump is a changeling? :p

    Great series, marathon'ed it last year.
     
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  9. gourimoko

    gourimoko Fighting the good fight!

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    Among the best Star Trek episodes ever made... Know them well! ;)

    And yes, very prescient... Funny how close a society, even a perfect society like the Federation, can move towards fascism without even realizing it.
     
  10. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    It got the post-9/11 mentality very right.

    Which is a shame because if you can predict actions you should be able to avoid them.

    @Wrathe, Trump is essentially an incompetent Ferengi.
     
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  11. King Stannis

    King Stannis The One True King

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    Did you know that Rene Auberjonois is the great-great-great-grand-nephew of Napoleon? His is a direct descendent of Joachim Murat and Caroline Bonaparte. @The Human Q-Tip
     
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  12. gourimoko

    gourimoko Fighting the good fight!

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    :chuckle:

    Definitely did not know that..
     

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