The General Terrorist Rampage Thread

[KI4MVP]

I find it really, really odd that nobody would have called the police immediately upon the guard being shot, but I suppose it is possible. And I also don't understand the logic of what that guy said. So if they knew a guard had been shot, they would have rushed more quickly the guy who was blasting away with automatic weapons? Why wouldn't the blasting away with automatic weapons alone be enough to impart that sense of urgency?

The truth is that given them backing off the last timeline, I don't really have much faith in this one either. So, this is one of those things where I think we're going to have to wait until they get their shit in one sock and produce some kind of comprehensive report, likely with federal involvement.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything nefarious, or suggesting a conspiracy. I think this was such a shocking event that normal procedures in terms of logging events, etc., in a timely manner was not done correctly, so they are trying to construct a timeline based on recollections, and perhaps watches that were not entirely accurate.

it does, but it doesn't tell them where the shooter was. knowing the security guard was shot would give them the location. The question is did he have a way to tell them right away that he had been shot and his location?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

it does, but it doesn't tell them where the shooter was. knowing the security guard was shot would give them the location. The question is did he have a way to tell them right away that he had been shot and his location?

I'm skeptical that the front desk didn't get calls of shooting from people with nearby rooms.

 

[DJTJ]

I'm skeptical that the front desk didn't get calls of shooting from people with nearby rooms.

It's Vegas at 10 pm during a large concert in a hotel nearest the concert.

It's very likely no one was even on the floor, or far from a massive suite.

 

[MediumBaller]

It's Vegas at 10 pm during a large concert in a hotel nearest the concert.

It's very likely no one was even on the floor, or far from a massive suite.

The guy underneath him heard the shots when he first started shooting at the concert, but he said the moments leading up to the shooting weren't anything unusual. You'd think he would hear hundreds of rounds fired through the hotel door.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascity.com/news/local/article177047656.html

And then there was this too.

"Gunfire rang out on Sunday night, just two floors below Chris Bethel's hotel room in the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

"I could just hear the gun shots, continuously. Just full automatic," Bethel told CBS Dallas-Fort Worth. "There was explosions going off. It was like a bomb just went off man. And then there were more gun shots."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...-below-stephen-paddock-recalls-frantic-scene/

 

[David.]

The privileges that Mandalay Bay provides their VIP members is staggering.

I'm fucking dead

 

[DJTJ]

The guy underneath him heard the shots when he first started shooting at the concert, but he said the moments leading up to the shooting weren't anything unusual. You'd think he would hear hundreds of rounds fired through the hotel door.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascity.com/news/local/article177047656.html

And then there was this too.

"Gunfire rang out on Sunday night, just two floors below Chris Bethel's hotel room in the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

"I could just hear the gun shots, continuously. Just full automatic," Bethel told CBS Dallas-Fort Worth. "There was explosions going off. It was like a bomb just went off man. And then there were more gun shots."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...-below-stephen-paddock-recalls-frantic-scene/

Yeah, when he's firing in the crowd. Not at the guard.

 

[MediumBaller]

Yeah, when he's firing in the crowd. Not at the guard.

So how do they hear when he fires at the crowd but not when he's firing hundreds of rounds at the guard?

 

[DJTJ]

So how do they hear when he fires at the crowd but not when he's firing hundreds of rounds at the guard?

Where are you getting the hundreds of rounds thing?

 

[MediumBaller]

Where are you getting the hundreds of rounds thing?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story,amp.html

"Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway."

 

[KI4MVP]

So how do they hear when he fires at the crowd but not when he's firing hundreds of rounds at the guard?

Perhaps because there's way more sound proofing between floors than there is when shots are being fired out a broken window.

Also, I don't think I've ever actually been in my room at 10pm when I've been to Vegas.

 

[Jack Brickman]

So how do they hear when he fires at the crowd but not when he's firing hundreds of rounds at the guard?

I don't think it would really matter. To the guy two floors above, gunshots are gunshots. He can't see which way the guy is shooting. If he shot 200 rounds into the hallway and then immediately started firing on the crowd below, it would all sound like one continued stream of shooting to a guy who can't see any of it.

It's also possible that he didn't fire the 200 rounds into the hallway and then fire into the crowd. He could have gone back and forth. Fire a clip into the crowd, fire a clip into the hallway.

 

[MediumBaller]

I don't think it would really matter. To the guy two floors above, gunshots are gunshots. He can't see which way the guy is shooting. If he shot 200 rounds into the hallway and then immediately started firing on the crowd below, it would all sound like one continued stream of shooting to a guy who can't see any of it.

It's also possible that he didn't fire the 200 rounds into the hallway and then fire into the crowd. He could have gone back and forth. Fire a clip into the crowd, fire a clip into the hallway.

The way they described it makes it seem like he fired the 200 rounds at the security guard, waited six minutes, and then started shooting at the concert, but I could be wrong.

 

[macbdog]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story,amp.html

"Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway."

Why we he empty seven 30 bullet clips into the hallway to hit 1 guard? Are you sure that wasnt 200 rounds total, including the rounds he fired at the swat team when it was rolling up to his room several minutes later?

 

[Zog]

There were over 500 total casualties -- the 58 is the number of the dead. That's not terribly out of line with casualty rates in modern war. For example, U.S. combat deaths have been about 15% of total casualties. And in a situation where the firing is pure area fire, none of it aimed, and some of the casualties likely were from non-gunfire causes such as falls, cuts on debris, etc. that number seems reasonable. It would be even more likely if he was using underpowered .223 rounds instead of 5.56. -- they simply won't do as much damage when they enter the body at that range.

My point was that he would have been able to get off a lot more rounds if it hadn't been for this sequence of events happening (the guarding going by his room prior to the shooting beginning).

Let's say the guard never comes by. He boards up his room or whatever he's doing to the door, then organizes his guns, mags, etc. There were a lot of breaks in the shooting that probably do not occur if he has 690 rounds ready to go at rapid fire pace and several mags for every gun (let's say 5 - somewhere around 3000 rounds). And his reload time would be a lot less if he would have had his mags organized.

I thought it was quite odd how disorganized everything was in the pictures considering how carefully he planned this attack... it looked like someone in the middle of unpacking from moving all their stuff from one apartment to another. And the sequence of events due to the guard walking into harms way really had an effect on everything, IMO. If that guard doesn't come, he probably spends the next half hour organizing everything, then opening fire with all of the guns carefully laid out for shooting the maximum amount of rounds as fast as possible. The time between his rapid fire bursts probably goes from 30 seconds or so to 5-10. Which, with those damn bump stocks, means an extra magazine unloaded about every 20 seconds.

 

[The Oi]

Looks like we might have ourselves a conspiracy theory a-brewin!!!!