The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

[natedagg]

I think we move him back inside and will have plenty of spread concepts where that’ll work well. With Higgins’ emergence, maybe he goes outside with Callaway and Perriman, with Njoku & Landry inside.

He gets a pass for last year’s performance. I think that’s fair given the circumstances of our cap and coming off of an 0-16 season. Going forward he has to do better, plain and simple, and he likely will.

I mean, Kitchens will have a whole offseason to think and fix things. If anything, we should all be cautiously optimistic.

 

[Ohio]

The Jarvis hate has always been weird to me. Nobody actually thinks he's a #1 WR. That was his role last season by default due to the lack of established WRs on the roster. Nobody thinks he's worth the contract he has. But we were an 0-16 team with $150 million in cap space in desperate need for some actual NFL talent. So, we overpaid, because we had to. Not a big problem. If we want to get out of his contract after next season, we can. It's like people that complained about paying Osweiler & Tyrod for one year which was completely irrelevant to both the present & future of the team. If Jarvis has another down year in 2019, then we can cut him and use the money on someone(s) else. Which may or may not make sense based on a) how he performs and b) how we handle our cap space.

 

[Vee-Rex]

The Jarvis hate has always been weird to me. Nobody actually thinks he's a #1 WR. That was his role last season by default due to the lack of established WRs on the roster. Nobody thinks he's worth the contract he has. But we were an 0-16 team with $150 million in cap space in desperate need for some actual NFL talent. So, we overpaid, because we had to. Not a big problem. If we want to get out of his contract after next season, we can. It's like people that complained about paying Osweiler & Tyrod for one year which was completely irrelevant to both the present & future of the team. If Jarvis has another down year in 2019, then we can cut him and use the money on someone(s) else. Which may or may not make sense based on a) how he performs and b) how we handle our cap space.

Logic is lost on the herd mentality and their simplistic group-think, but not on you, my friend.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

The Jarvis hate has always been weird to me. Nobody actually thinks he's a #1 WR. That was his role last season by default due to the lack of established WRs on the roster. Nobody thinks he's worth the contract he has. But we were an 0-16 team with $150 million in cap space in desperate need for some actual NFL talent. So, we overpaid, because we had to. Not a big problem. If we want to get out of his contract after next season, we can. It's like people that complained about paying Osweiler & Tyrod for one year which was completely irrelevant to both the present & future of the team. If Jarvis has another down year in 2019, then we can cut him and use the money on someone(s) else. Which may or may not make sense based on a) how he performs and b) how we handle our cap space.

I'd like to point out that both Osweiler and Tyrod do have long term repercussion on the team.

Nick Chubb and 65th pick last year specifically.

Look, as long as we arent going to continue paying him a ton when other contracts are due and we can get out of his contract easily, whatever. Have fun.

Just dont expect more than what we saw in 2018. Because with more talent coming in/getting older, his targets should be cut in half.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I'd like to point out that both Osweiler and Tyrod do have long term repercussion on the team.

Nick Chubb and 65th pick last year specifically.

Look, as long as we arent going to continue paying him a ton when other contracts are due and we can get out of his contract easily, whatever. Have fun.

Just dont expect more than what we saw in 2018. Because with more talent coming in/getting older, his targets should be cut in half.

The Osweiler trade mirrored what the Cavs did when obtaining Baron Davis. Taking on that nasty contract for the sake of owning that draft pick, which turned into Kyrie Irving.

When we are the laughing stock of the league and have an overwhelming amount of cap space, you use that space to try to change the culture even if it means overpaying certain players. The caveat is that you allow yourself an easy way to get out of that contract when needed.

0-16 and 20 years of ineptitude isn't easy to turn around, but I for one appreciate Landry's incredible work ethic, mentoring, and willingness to embrace the orange and brown. Even before he stepped on the field he was tweeting up a storm trying to recruit guys and flip the perception of this team. To act like that doesn't really matter or have an impact on the team is very short-sighted. I'm glad Dorsey feels otherwise.

I'd rather have his overpaid ass than not have him at all, at least for now. We'll evaluate that in the future.

 

[CBBI]

I had no idea so many people on here actually believe in nonsense like "we needed real players!" and "he was a leader in the locker room!" like that stuff actually means something at the friggin WR position.

The Browns improved from 0 wins to 7 wins because of they found a galvanizing QB with a high end skill set and they found a play caller capable of calling an offense that enhances the QB's skill set.

That's it. Everything else is window dressing. Got people on here legit convinced otherwise by some staged rah rah bullshit speech on Hard Knocks.

 

[FiveThous]

I had no idea so many people on here actually believe in nonsense like "we needed real players!" and "he was a leader in the locker room!" like that stuff actually means something at the friggin WR position.

The Browns improved from 0 wins to 7 wins because of they found a galvanizing QB with a high end skill set and they found a play caller capable of calling an offense that enhances the QB's skill set.

That's it. Everything else is window dressing. Got people on here legit convinced otherwise by some staged rah rah bullshit speech on Hard Knocks.

Must be CONTAGIOUS

 

[chrisrich91]

I had no idea so many people on here actually believe in nonsense like "we needed real players!" and "he was a leader in the locker room!" like that stuff actually means something at the friggin WR position.

The Browns improved from 0 wins to 7 wins because of they found a galvanizing QB with a high end skill set and they found a play caller capable of calling an offense that enhances the QB's skill set.

That's it. Everything else is window dressing. Got people on here legit convinced otherwise by some staged rah rah bullshit speech on Hard Knocks.

Can we cut the condescending shit? No one is suggesting Jarvis Landry is the reason for the Browns turn-around.

Jarvis is a fiery competitor who embraced the challenge of creating an attitude and culture within this team. Similar to Damarious Randall. These are also guys with a little bit of experience and success in the league that sure don't hurt on a team full of 22 year olds.

No, he isn't the reason the Browns went from 0 to 7 wins.

Yes, he was a resource for the WR room. Yes, he has provided vocal leadership to a team that previously had none. Yes, he used his platform to begin a perception change with the Cleveland Browns.

You don't care about these things. Cool. Others do. But appreciating those contributions =/= attributing our turn-around to them. Frankly it's insulting that you would even suggest that.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I had no idea so many people on here actually believe in nonsense like "we needed real players!" and "he was a leader in the locker room!" like that stuff actually means something at the friggin WR position.

The Browns improved from 0 wins to 7 wins because of they found a galvanizing QB with a high end skill set and they found a play caller capable of calling an offense that enhances the QB's skill set.

That's it. Everything else is window dressing. Got people on here legit convinced otherwise by some staged rah rah bullshit speech on Hard Knocks.

Sounds like you've never played sports.

It matters.

 

[CBBI]

Here's why I know Jarvis Landry's bullshit didn't matter...

If Hue Jackson doesn't get fired, the Browns win 3 or 4 games for the season.

If Tyrod Taylor doesn't get benched, the Browns win 3 or 4 games for the season.

Landry's "leadership" didn't change jack shit around here. They were a shitty football team for two months with Landry "firing the boys up" on a daily basis in practice and in training camp.

I understand he's a likable guy, but some of you guys are just going crazy with this intangibles nonsense. Do you not remember how terrible the first half of the season was? Was Landry not a part of that?

Why did things turnaround? It wasn't Landry's passionate locker room speeches that's for sure. Things turned around because the Browns got MASSIVE talent infusions at QB and at play caller. No other reason.

 

[CBBI]

Hue Jackson with a national TV camera in his face literally bemoaned about the shitty atmosphere at training camp this year. About how soft guys were. About how slow and apathetic everyone moved. About how no one was willing to hustle.

But we're going to talk about what a positive influence Jarvis was for everyone when the first half of this season was a carbon copy of every other terrible Browns season since 1999?

Insanity.

 

[Cassity14]

Using

Hue Jackson with a national TV camera in his face.

to support any take at all is

Insanity.

 

[Ohio]

Hue Jackson with a national TV camera in his face literally bemoaned about the shitty atmosphere at training camp this year. About how soft guys were. About how slow and apathetic everyone moved. About how no one was willing to hustle.

But we're going to talk about what a positive influence Jarvis was for everyone when the first half of this season was a carbon copy of every other terrible Browns season since 1999?

Insanity.

Soooo Hue Jackson complained about an environment that Hue Jackson created.

This was the entire reason for Jarvis' rant, by the way.

What point were you attempting to make again?

I get it. It upsets you that Jarvis makes $15 million instead of $1 million. It's the only reason this conversation is happening. I just wish people would look at the bigger picture and realize his salary figure does not fucking matter right now.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Hue Jackson with a national TV camera in his face literally bemoaned about the shitty atmosphere at training camp this year. About how soft guys were. About how slow and apathetic everyone moved. About how no one was willing to hustle.

But we're going to talk about what a positive influence Jarvis was for everyone when the first half of this season was a carbon copy of every other terrible Browns season since 1999?

Insanity.

Calm down, bruh.

No one is saying it's THE reason. No one's saying it's a bigger reason than Kitchens + Baker. We're just saying it helped. It's revitalizing. I say that from experience myself - being in a locker room with guys who are passionate vs. not passionate.

Hell, that goes with any job to be honest. We can disagree all night and day about how much impact it had on the W/L column (which would be fruitless), but to act like his passion is completely meaningless is another thing entirely. I'm quite perturbed that this is so difficult to grasp.

 

[blommen]

God dammit, this really is Tristan Thompson thread isn't it.