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How about drafting Manziel?

How about 20 sources going on record for a Manziel piece at the end of the season? TWENTY

Public disparaging of Loggains, who went on the radio and gave this ridiculous Manziel story that resulted in the "wreck this league" nonsense.

Pretending all the dysfunction has come from those two solitary incidents in the time Haslam has been in power is as ignorant as it is naive.

Who drafted Manziel and why only matters because he had a bad year. I tie a lot of that shit, which I am by no means denying, to Johnny having significant alcoholism issues.

If he gets his shit together and turns out to be a good player then all of that stuff will be left in the past. If he doesn't then you move on to the next guy and all of that still doesn't matter, unless you are the kind of person that still sits around and is pissed about us blowing picks on Courtney Brown and Gerrard Warren.

Are there other incidents during Jimmy's tenure as owner? Sure.

Firing Chud after one year? Dysfunctional.

Firing your President of Football Operations and GM after they just hired a coach? Dysfunctional, even though many would agree it was a positive.

Having you QB coach go on radio shows and talk about things he shouldn't? Dysfunctional, and Loggains was rightly fired after the season for being an idiot.

My point is that a lot of the noise of dysfunction for THIS season is tied to two sources, and those issues are being worked on.
 
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My point is that a lot of the noise of dysfunction for THIS season is tied to two sources, and those issues are being worked on.

The two sources we KNOW about which became public.

I'd like them to actually show they're "turning it around" with more than a 10-minute phoner with the owner to assure everyone they're in control.

Issues are being worked on, more issues pop up. It's been a circular process with this organization from the start of Haslam's tenure and it has absolutely no signs of slowing down anytime soon.
 
I have an odd feeling Farmer and Pettine will be in their jobs for at least two more years.
 
I can't blame anyone for being mad. Personally though, I'd like to have some productive discussion here. We went a day without anyone posting anything at all in the Browns section. First comment in a day after I posted 10+ quotes from the owner is "it's all bullshit".

I find it annoying and redundant for the same posters to discount everything said, then call me out for weighing media sensationalism vs. reality, saying I'm out of touch. All the while they're eating everything "NFL Insiders" shit out. Media sensationalism happens, just like it's very probable Haslam is trying to suppress the perception by addressing what he calls "inaccuracies". Then people come in here trying to tell me that LaCanfora knows more about the Browns than the Browns? O rly?

On the dysfunction, we have heard the suite of issues and those issues were addressed by the owner, who offered some mitigating information. I said when it came out that no, you can't ignore the breadth of issues uncovered, but you must also consider the source when it comes to propping Lombardi and Shanahan up while blasting the Browns. It's like people want to believe all of the bad. I'd rather spin my tires trying to figure out how the Browns move forward and upward rather than revert to the same damn narrative without thinking twice.

Well, for what it's worth, most of these stories have originated from Cleveland media outlets, not the national writers. Not sure why you have such a hard-on for LaCanfora. 90% of the information in his story could be found in pieces by MKC, Pluto, Grossi or McManamon in the weeks prior. Shit, Brian Hoyer even confirmed that the dysfunction between the front office and coaching staff was seen in the locker room (I know, he's not re-signing here so his vendetta against the Browns is at a national media level so we need not believe it).

I find it ironic that while this phone presser was going on, a Federal judge was ruling in-favor of the plaintiffs in a civil suit regarding the Pilot/Flying J rebate scam. Jimmy Haslam III is the epitome of organizational dysfunction. I can't think of another owner whose business ventures are more dysfunctional than his sports team. It's unheard of....

All I'm saying is Haslam can't sit there and admit to his GM sending texts to the coaching staff during the game and act like everything is sunshine and rainbows. What Farmer did was a total breach of trust between the coaching staff and front office and Haslam made Farmer out to be the victim. Haslam went as far as to say "This is a very cohesive organization headed in the same direction where everybody understands their roles" just after he confirmed his GM was interfering with the coaching staff. Text-gate is just one example of the many of issues when it comes to the judgement of Jimmy Haslam. Should we talk about his flat denial of his personal involvement in drafting Johnny Manziel? Or is that also a by-product of this mythical vendetta the national media has against the Browns?

To be honest, all Haslam had to do was admit mistakes were made and that they weren't proud of how they're being portrayed in the media and that they're working hard to get it right. Instead, he lied through his teeth, denied any wrong doing and gave an inaccurate portrayal (to anyone who can read) of the organization. He came off as someone who is clueless as to how to run a professional organization which isn't surprising based on the culture he established at Pilot/Flying J. I don't know, I guess I was just looking for a sign that Haslam was starting to "get it"......
 
Just sayin.

They seem to be vaguely competent at their jobs. Better than a lot of previous regimes.
 
Judge allows some claims to proceed against Pilot Flying J

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) -- A judge ruled Wednesday that several trucking companies can proceed with claims they were cheated by a truck-stop company owned by Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam.

The judge granted Pilot Flying J's motion to dismiss several other counts against the giant retailer.

U.S. District Judge Amul Thapar also dismissed seven of 11 civil claims against Jimmy Haslam, the company's CEO, and allowed four others to go forward, including accusations of unjust enrichment and conspiracy to commit fraud. Jimmy Haslam has not been charged with any crime.

The trucking companies claim they were cheated out of fuel rebates and discounts promised by Knoxville, Tennessee-based Pilot Flying J, the nation's largest diesel retailer with annual revenues of around $30 billion.

''Pilot's efforts to delay this case are over,'' Leonard Leicht, one of the plaintiffs' attorneys, said after the ruling. ''We look forward to engaging in discovery with Pilot and finally obtaining all of the underlying documents which have never been produced. ... This includes data as to their actual costs, which will finally enable my client to calculate the amount of money it lost as a result of Pilot's fraud.''

Leicht is an attorney for National Retail Transportation and Keystone Freight, among several trucking companies that opted out of a settlement that resolved most of the lawsuits against Pilot.

Pilot agreed to pay out nearly $85 million to 5,500 customers as part of the settlement. The trucking companies involved in Wednesday's ruling decided to pursue their own lawsuits.

Pilot attorney Aubrey Harwell said the remaining plaintiffs opted out of a settlement that ''would have assured them any amount owed plus interest and chose instead ... to make exorbitant, overreaching claims
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''We're pleased the court dismissed a number of the plaintiffs' claims and we believe that the remaining efforts by the plaintiffs to collect excessive damages and attorneys' fees lack merit,'' Harwell said Wednesday. ''We intend to continue to defend against them vigorously.''

Thapar heard arguments on Pilot's motion to dismiss the lawsuits last month in Covington, Kentucky.

The judge on Wednesday allowed two dozen counts by the trucking companies to proceed against Pilot. They include claims of breach of contract, fraud and negligent misrepresentation.

Thapar granted Pilot's motion to dismiss more than a dozen other counts.

Jimmy Haslam has said he had no knowledge of the scheme. Bill Haslam holds an undisclosed ownership share in the company but has said he is not involved in Pilot's day-to-day operations.

Ten former employees have pleaded guilty to some form of wire or mail fraud since federal agents raided Pilot's Tennessee headquarters in April 2013.

Pilot agreed to pay $92 million in fines and accept responsibility for the criminal conduct of its employees while the government agreed not to prosecute the company. The agreement required Pilot to comply with several conditions, including cooperation in the investigation of people who may have been involved in the fraud. It did not protect any individual at Pilot from prosecution.

FBI special agent Robert H. Root said in an affidavit filed in federal court that the scheme involved sales team members reducing the amount of money that was due to trucking company customers they deemed too unsophisticated to notice. The scheme was widely known in the sales department, according to court documents, with supervisors teaching other employees how to do it.

Court records said the scheme lasted from at least 2007 until an FBI raid in April 2013.
 
Browns President Alec Scheiner stepping down, effective end of this month.

 
Interesting that there's a front office spot open just as Peyton manning might be retiring
 
Interesting that there's a front office spot open just as Peyton manning might be retiring

Not really.

It's not like they couldn't just make up a title for Manning, but more than anything else Scheiner's role isn't even football related.
 
Put this in the Browns off-season thread:

It's going to eventually leak that Scheiner was involved in some sexual harassment. I'm not sure if he was directly harassing anyone, but it went on under his watch. There are several NDAs signed for this; Joe Lull was approached by Alec himself when Lull almost spilled the beans while drunk and pissed off.

From what I was told, this was a large reason why Dee Haslam spent so much time in the building towards the end of the year.
 

Literally got an email from TeamWork Online promoting a "Meet The Executives" event at Browns Stadium for next month.

Man, they couldn't have timed that release worse.


Fact of the matter is, while the Browns have alot of cleaning up to do within their respective departments, this reflects poorly on their Event Management team and salespeople than it does anything else.

This just doesn't play at the level of a Sashi Brown, DePo, etc.
 

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