Cedi Osman Goodbye & Good Luck

[jvpertz]

Igoudala is a great comparison.

Poor mans Scottie Pippen.


Decent shot, decent handle, tall, long, athletic, decent hops, good rebounder, good defender.

Like Igoudala he’s just not great at anything.

It’s realky possible that Cedi is an 18-6-6 guy which would be incredible.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Altman's international scouting chops are certainly starting to look pretty impressive. We'll see how Collin ends up panning out---I love the kid personally. But Cedi was a bonafide home run as a 2nd rounder. His contract is really nice too. And we will have full bird rights when it is up, I believe and I think we still will be able to make him restricted though I'm not 100% on that---have lost a bit of my CBA knowledge as my age has gone up.

I was the one pumping Cedi early on by my lonesome last year. I thought that he could be effective and be much better than a lot of other players in the rotation(Playoffs and Finals included...somewhat saddens me that he didn't get the chance to experience the playoffs, especially alongside Lebron), but I couldn't really put a ceiling on him and know how he was going to develop. Now, it's pretty clear that he has what it takes to be really great. What he did last night is not only sustainable, but looked easy for him. He barely touched the ball and only put up 10 shot attempts, but it was effortless- on both ends.

It's a joy watching him play. It really is.

As far as Collin. You know and probably everyone else knows I'm a SGA guy. Loved his two way potential and his floor to me was the highest that we could get at 8. I won't compare the two because it doesn't matter. I only want Sexton to be good..doesn't have to be better than Shai, but I really need him to become good. I will give him all the time in the world. I really don't know whether he is going to become a good or bad, but his mentality and the passion and aggressiveness that he plays with gives him a lot of different routes to become successful. It may take a year, two years, heck even 5 years; but compared to other players who can labeled as busts after a short while, for Sexton, there might come a time, out of the blue that he finally breaks out, why? because he is a gamer and a hard worker, and above all, he doesn't settle.

Look, I didn't even consider him for the Cavs approaching draft night. I see glaring limitations(almost all are size related), but who says he can't overcome some of them? I dunno. I will tell you this, even when he sucks I enjoy watching him play lol. It's about entertainment after all and I enjoy watching this guy compete.

I wish him all the luck in the world and I hope that this fanbase (including myself) will be patient with him.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Igoudala is a great comparison.

Poor mans Scottie Pippen.


Decent shot, decent handle, tall, long, athletic, decent hops, good rebounder, good defender.

Like Igoudala he’s just not great at anything.

It’s realky possible that Cedi is an 18-6-6 guy which would be incredible.

I mean...I don't really see it.

Igoudala is a poor shooter. Cedi has shown great improvement as a 3pt shooter and had been a pretty high volume 3pt shooter in the Euroleague. Cedi absolutely looked like an elite shooter in the the Worldcup qualifiers. 3pt line currently limits him in that regard.

Igoudala is a ridiculous athlete and an above the rim finisher. Cedi has parts of his game that are athletic(he is quick and runs pretty damn fast for his size), but he is not a high leaper and will have to rely on finesse to finish effectively.

I see Cedi as a different playmaker than Igoduala. Igoudala isn't as good as Cedi in the PnR. Igoudala is a different kind of passer. He finds cutters and he is more of passer via dribble penetration.

Now, I think you are underselling Cedi here a bit as far as not being great at anything. He looks great to me as a passer and as a PnR threat for a SG/SF.

I also predict that he is indeed going to be great as a shooter. He is also a great defender.

So, I can't really agree with that part. And even if he isn't really great at anything now, I predict that he will develop and become great at things you currently don't think he great at.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I was the one pumping Cedi early on by my lonesome last year. I thought that he could be effective and be much better than a lot of other players in the rotation(Playoffs and Finals included...somewhat saddens me that he didn't get the chance to experience the playoffs, especially alongside Lebron), but I couldn't really put a ceiling on him and know how he was going to develop. Now, it's pretty clear that he has what it takes to be really great. What he did last night is not only sustainable, but looked easy for him. He barely touched the ball and only put up 10 shot attempts, but it was effortless- on both ends.

It's a joy watching him play. It really is.

As far as Collin. You know and probably everyone else knows I'm a SGA guy. Loved his two way potential and his floor to me was the highest that we could get at 8. I won't compare the two because it doesn't matter. I only want Sexton to be good..doesn't have to be better than Shai, but I really need him to become good. I will give him all the time in the world. I really don't know whether he is going to become a good or bad, but his mentality and the passion and aggressiveness that he plays with gives him a lot of different routes to become successful. It may take a year, two years, heck even 5 years; but compared to other players who can labeled as busts after a short while, for Sexton, there might come a time, out of the blue that he finally breaks out, why? because he is a gamer and a hard worker, and above all, he doesn't settle.

Look, I didn't even consider him for the Cavs approaching draft night. I see glaring limitations(almost all are size related), but who says he can't overcome some of them? I dunno. I will tell you this, even when he sucks I enjoy watching him play lol. It's about entertainment after all and I enjoy watching this guy compete.

I wish him all the luck in the world and I hope that this fanbase (including myself) will be patient with him.

I agree with your entire post except I'm not a SGA guy and I was totally on the Cedi train with you the entire time. Now, I will give you credit in that you wanted him to play big minutes before I jumped on that train, but I was more approaching it from a "we are a veteran team trying to win a title, can't force rookies". But Cedi was absolutely ready to contribute to that team as maybe even our 2nd most important wing player besides LBJ. He should have played at least 25 minutes a game the entire season and playoffs, if not more. He was ready then and he's even more ready now. We could have fast tracked it.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I agree with your entire post except I'm not a SGA guy and I was totally on the Cedi train with you the entire time. Now, I will give you credit in that you wanted him to play big minutes before I jumped on that train, but I was more approaching it from a "we are a veteran team trying to win a title, can't force rookies". But Cedi was absolutely ready to contribute to that team as maybe even our 2nd most important wing player besides LBJ. He should have played at least 25 minutes a game the entire season and playoffs, if not more. He was ready then and he's even more ready now. We could have fast tracked it.

Both Cedi and Ante should have played. Both of them could have provided a different wrinkle that we desperately needed.

Ante would have provided post scoring (since the Warriors were switching aggressively). He would have also helped our other struggling perimeter players because he would have opened up their game because of his gravity in the PnR and his screening...and well, he can actually finish at the rim.

As far as Cedi, we just needed his defense. We needed his size, switching ability and 1 on 1 defense. Not even going into his ability as far as being able to make open corner shots, being good in transition,or providing additional playmaker that we desperately needed(because two of those things weren't actually possible with Lue at the helm). Just being able to transform our shitty 5 man defensive lineups into positive defensive lineups. Just having LBJ at the 1/4 and Cedi at the 4/1 would have transformed our defense because we would have been far superior as a whole as far as switching goes.

I was just arguing and arguing with so many members here in regards to Cedi. I don't even remember. I was just so sure about it. I don't even remember who was with me lol...there weren't many anyways. But yeah, you were generally high on Cedi, I remember; it's just that it didn't quite translate into wanting him to play significant minutes.

 

[Cavatt]

This horse has been beaten into hamburger, but it is so damn frustrating that he wasn't our third guy last year. It's just indefensible that Lue benched him in the playoffs.

It's insane to watch him and think he couldn't have been useful in the playoffs. I actually liked Jeff Green, but Cedi should have been ahead of him.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

It's insane to watch him and think he couldn't have been useful in the playoffs. I actually liked Jeff Green, but Cedi should have been ahead of him.

Lue actually said it himself when he was asked about Cedi's improvements. Here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcVp73IlYZk

So what's his excuse here, really? he admits it himself :/

A player doesn't suddenly develop like that in a matter of two weeks.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Lue actually said it himself when he was asked about Cedi's improvements. Here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcVp73IlYZk

So what's his excuse here, really? he admits it himself :/

One player doesn't suddenly develop like that in a matter of two weeks.

Yup, Lue flatly says that Cedi could do all that last year. It's just a complete head-scratcher.

 

[priceFTW]

It's insane to watch him and think he couldn't have been useful in the playoffs. I actually liked Jeff Green, but Cedi should have been ahead of him.

He would have been. He was the best player on the Cavs last night and is also playing the position most coveted in today’s game: a wing who can create and switch on defense 1-4 and even 1-5 in hyper small ball. We need to see what we have in Cedi and the ball has to be in his hands more. We know what we have in Love and he provides stability, but we’re not competing for a title, so let’s see what our potential ceiling can be with Cedi at the controls.

Now, Cedi has gotten better since last year, but he would have been perfect in a “Bron and three/four wings” lineups, lineups that have terrorized the NBA for 7 years now. I’ve written about it before-Bron and wings (even really old and/or really shitty wings works. Derrick Williams was a plus for the first time in his life with James as was Green.

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I hated Green, but last year was BY FAR his best season ever WHEN he was on court with James. We called for it on here over and over again especially when seeing how well Cedi and James played together (+6 NET together), how well Green and Cedi played (+6 NET), how well Korver and Cedi played together (+9 NET).

Might not have changed anything, but it was a fuck up.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Might not have changed anything, but it was a fuck up.

The weirdest thing about it is that it was a fuckup for which we've never really gotten an explanation -- not even a bad explanation. At least, not one that I've seen.

Does anyone know if Lue was ever asked directly why Cedi wasn't in the playoff rotation, and if so, what his answer was?

 

[greenlaker]

I think the nba needs two words for people coming into the league. A lot of the things Cedi suffered is because he was labelled as a "rookie". He was more experienced than Clarkson, Hood, Hill in playoff basketball, where adjusting the pace, shot selections, defense and a hell a lot of other things about basketball knowledge matter much more compared to normal season. Yet you could see a lot of people thinking that he can't play because he is inexperienced. Even Lue has that kind of thought somehow. He does not think Cedi is not capable but simply the fact that he is a "rookie" would cause him to play him more minutes. I think that is the explanation: "Cedi was a rookie, even worse a Euro rookie". Maybe Lue thought playing Cedi would have made other experienced players unhappy.

On the upside, Cedi can get the MIP this year and this is mostly due to Lue's not playing him last year. His numbers are much worse than what they could have been. Combine that with Cedi's improvement over the summer and Lebron's leaving opening up minutes for him, there you have your MIP.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I think the ballpark comp people are missing with Cedi is Khris Middleton.

Neither are great at one thing but are really well rounded players that do several things well. Each can play or guard the 2/3.....they can chip in on the glass while also providing some scoring punch.

Cedi is a bit better creator, Middelton a bit better shooter but both rate out similarly athletically......Cedi has more defensive potential but I think people are really overrating how good he will be on that end. He has shown high teens scoring ability and as he matures on that end, it may be unrealistic for him to give intense defensive effort every night.

Cedi, like Middelton, could turn in to that interchangeable wing glue guy.....that can play and guard multiple positions depending on matchups, while still being able to succeed on or off the ball on offense.

 

[Naumoski]

"Cedi was so sad in the post-game interview because they lost. He just had the best game of his nba career and he is sad. This is why we love this guy"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG7-mzq1gE0

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I think the ballpark comp people are missing with Cedi is Khris Middleton.

Neither are great at one thing but are really well rounded players that do several things well. Each can play or guard the 2/3.....they can chip in on the glass while also providing some scoring punch.

Cedi is a bit better creator, Middelton a bit better shooter but both rate out similarly athletically......Cedi has more defensive potential but I think people are really overrating how good he will be on that end. He has shown high teens scoring ability and as he matures on that end, it may be unrealistic for him to give intense defensive effort every night.

Cedi, like Middelton, could turn in to that interchangeable wing glue guy.....that can play and guard multiple positions depending on matchups, while still being able to succeed on or off the ball on offense.

I still see more and more Hedo Turkoglu in Cedi's game every time he comes back with a new skill to show off. He really can do it all. I know he looked up Hedo a lot growing up. And I'm talking about the good Hedo Turkoglu. Like, the dude that helped rip our hearts out in 2009 with his ball handling and shooting off the dribble and all around floor game on the offensive end. With a guy like prime Dwight plus all of that shooting, Stan Van was ahead of his time with that roster make-up. Cedi is 10 times the defender Turkoglu ever could have dreamed to be though. He has a motor that Hedo never ever ever ever had. Which is why he's so intriguing. If he can develop offensively to where Hedo was or even 80% of that while also maintaining his defensive prowess...that's a really really really really really good player in today's NBA. Borderline all-star in the East, even. I'm excited to watch Osman try to put it all together.

 

[Cavatt]

I think the ballpark comp people are missing with Cedi is Khris Middleton.

Neither are great at one thing but are really well rounded players that do several things well. Each can play or guard the 2/3.....they can chip in on the glass while also providing some scoring punch.

Cedi is a bit better creator, Middelton a bit better shooter but both rate out similarly athletically......Cedi has more defensive potential but I think people are really overrating how good he will be on that end. He has shown high teens scoring ability and as he matures on that end, it may be unrealistic for him to give intense defensive effort every night.

Cedi, like Middelton, could turn in to that interchangeable wing glue guy.....that can play and guard multiple positions depending on matchups, while still being able to succeed on or off the ball on offense.

He is great at rebounding. He is the high assist guy on this team it looks like. Seems to me he is great at everything. Lol