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The Mueller Investigation (Russiagate)

Discussion in 'RCF Politics' started by gourimoko, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. Hurl Bruce

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    After the Barr Summary, he was a good guy, then earlier this week he was Treasonous. Wonder what happened?

    Barr is redacting 3rd party names for privacy. This is not the law, and has not been recent policy for the DOJ either. They released all that info about Hilary with no indictments coming down. Barr also has business ties to people and entities referred to in the report. I don't feel convinced, but am willing to see what is released.
     
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    The Mueller Report:

    "It is, therefore, our conclusion that Trump [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted][redacted] [redacted] is [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] good [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] looking [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] ! [redacted].
     
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  5. Cavatt

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    so all joking aside i suspect if the there is actually a release of a properly-redacted report to give us even more insight into Trump being an dishonorable person. But ultimately it wont tie everything together. I fully believe Barr when he says that there was no collusion between the Russian Goverment and Trump because that would be incredibly careless of Putin. Instead it will show a litany of foreign non-government agents that either did or tried to contact the Trump Campaign looking to/did help.

    However there will ultimately be some window of deniability that Trump will be able to grasp on to, and thus keeping the Senate from removing Trump from office.

    Also I fully expect Trump to end up in Jail in 2021, but most likely because of the NYAG
     
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  7. King Stannis

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    Trump himself, probably free of conspiring with the Russians. But his campaign staff sure as fuck met with Russians.

    Moreover, the obstruction will be as clear as fucking day caveated with Barr's belief that no sitting POTUS can commit a crime. Which is utterly stupid, but ultimately the only reason he got the job (which in itself maybe obstruction).

    But, once again, how can Trump both say the Mueller Report is a Witch Hunt and meaningless, and yet point to its findings and claim it exonerates him? It is a logical stupidity. Who believes that bullshit?

    Got this mailer today to illustrate the double game Trump is playing, and also how childish and stupid his communications are:

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  8. Kiddo

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    Tomorrow will be a very interesting day as we find out what’s in the Mueller report. Keep in mind that Mueller helped Barr make redactions and he’s free to at any point correct the record if Barr changes anything to benefit Trump.

    Also, expect to hear a lot more about “spygate” in the coming weeks as Barr continues that investigation.
     
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    I thought the Mueller Report was a witch hunt? You can't condemn an investigation and then crow about its results.

    Don't get your hopes up. Spygate is a big Nothingburder.

    Here is a primer on how FISA works: https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-fisa-court-really-works

    Once you become familiar with the process you'll quickly see that Barr is wasting everyone's time and pissing in the wind.
     
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    Well now it is coming out that the DOJ ran the Report through the White House before redaction.

    First time I have ever heard of an "Independent" Counsel running their findings by the subject of that investigation before releasing it to fucking Congress.

    What a sham. Utter ludicrousness. In what world does the DA run his findings by the criminals first, so they can check it for anything damaging, before they give it to the Grand Jury? And now a Press Conference prior to Congress receiving the Report to shape the narrative to lessen the impact. Barr is little more than a puppet for Trump abdicating his responsibility to the People and his oath to the Constitution.

    And now this ridiculous investigation into the FISA process. Good luck there. Already creating a counter-narrative, and placating screams for revenge. And people wonder why I say we need a separation given the GOP is walking hand in hand with Trump in dismantling our institutions for party gain.

    Even if Trump and Co. are 100% innocent they've done about all one could do to make themselves look like they're hiding something. No matter what happens tomorrow Trump will see no gain from it. He got no bounce from the release of the summary and in the interval he's done everything possible to turn open-minded people against him.



    Barr's Reputation in Peril with Mueller Report Rollout

    The hotly anticipated report from special counsel Robert Mueller is due for release Thursday morning, but not before Attorney General William Barr holds a press conference that Democrats have denounced as yet another ploy to protect President Trump.

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    Nearly one month ago Mueller's expansive investigation came to a close, ending a yearslong inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election, possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, and an examination of whether the president obstructed justice. Within two days Barr submitted a four-page letter to Congress he said was meant to “summarize the principal conclusions,” and although Trump and his allies saw exoneration in its contents, Democrats raised the alarm about what they feared was a cover-up due to the summary only sparsely quoting Mueller’s actual report.

    That fight is poised to heat up when Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein address reporters at 9:30 a.m. Already chairmen in the Democrat-led House are demanding the press conference about the report be canceled as it "appears designed to shape public perceptions of the report before anyone can read it." House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., revealed on Twitter the Justice Department informed Congress that they will not receive the report until sometime between 11 a.m. and noon, after Barr's press conference. Also unclear is when reporters will get access to the report and whether they will have adequate time to prepare questions for Barr and Rosenstein. Several reporters voiced their dismay on social media Wednesday evening.

    Further solidifying the optics of a partisan scheme in the eyes of Barr's critics was a New York Times report that said the Justice Department had "numerous conversations" with lawyers from the White House about the report, which helped Trump's legal team prepare a rebuttal they plan to release after Mueller's findings are unveiled. And then there's Mueller's role in tomorrow's events. Although the special counsel helped Barr prepare the redactions, neither Mueller nor his team of prosecutors will be present for the press conference, his longtime spokesman Peter Carr confirmed to the Washington Examiner.

    “The central concern here is that Attorney General Barr is not allowing the facts of the Mueller report to speak for themselves but is trying to bake in the narrative about the report to the benefit of the White House," Nadler said in a hastily organized press conference in New York City Wednesday evening.

    Writing to Congress in late March, Barr stated Mueller did not establish any collusion between Russia and anyone on the Trump campaign in 2016 and that Mueller did not reach a conclusion on obstruction of justice one way or the other. Barr, along with Rosenstein, then made the legal determination that obstruction by Trump did not occur.

    Trump proclaimed it “a complete and total exoneration.” [It isn't.]

    Barr’s framing of the Mueller report, his decision to clear Trump on obstruction, and his choice of redactions will be the focus of debate stemming far beyond Thursday's release. Barr’s reputation could be sullied if Mueller’s report contains new bombshells not mentioned in his summary. In recent days, a number of media outlets have called into question the Barr summary’s reliability, pointing back to what they claim is Barr’s sketchy track record of providing legal summaries over the years. Specifically, they unearthed a controversy from 1989 involving Barr’s time as the head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel. In a 13-page letter, Barr similarly “summarize[d] the principal conclusions” of a then-secret controversial legal opinion that, when the full opinion was released in 1991, seemed to have glossed over some key underlying facts.

    Barr’s Russia investigation summary directly quoted Mueller only a few times. On the issue of collusion, Barr quoted Mueller as unequivocally saying “the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities” and “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference.” On obstruction, Barr said Mueller was far less definitive. Barr quoted the special counsel as saying there were “difficult issues” during his “thorough factual investigation” into obstruction, emphasizing that “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.” One question that should be answered Thursday is whether these quotes accurately represented the thrust of Mueller’s full report.

    Barr is a veteran of the Justice Department, serving as attorney general for a second time following a stint from 1991 to 1993 during George H.W. Bush’s presidency. During his 2019 confirmation hearing in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he repeatedly promised transparency with the Mueller report, but added that it would be done “consistent with regulations and the law.”

    In recent weeks Barr has revealed the report from Mueller will contain redactions across four major categories, including material related to grand jury proceedings, information that could compromise sensitive sources and methods, details that could affect other ongoing investigations, including those referred by the special counsel’s office to other offices, and material that would, according to Barr, harm the reputation of third parties. Barr said he will “color code” the report with “explanatory notes describing the basis for each redaction.”

    Leading Democrats have vowed to subpoena the full Mueller Report without redactions and plan to call Barr and perhaps even Mueller to testify in front of Congress. They have told Barrhow important it is that “Congress receives the full report and all of the underlying evidence.”

    Nadler's office told the Washington Examiner Wednesday morning that "subpoenas could come very quickly if we do not receive the full, unredacted report with the underlying evidence from DOJ."

    In addition to the congressional fight, a battle for the full Mueller report is gearing up in federal court. The Electronic Privacy Information Center and BuzzFeed have both sued for the report under the Freedom of Information Act, with the next hearing coming on May 2. The judge in the case criticized Barr for “creating an environment that has caused a significant part of the American public to be concerned about whether there will be full transparency“ earlier this week....


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...putation-in-peril-with-mueller-report-rollout
     
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  11. bob2the2nd

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    just to point out, in-case this was missed by anyone. that according to this article....

    Barr gave the results of an in depth investigation into the president..... to the president, before he sent the results anywhere else.

    there is a phrase im looking for on this one.... i think it starts with obstruction, and ends with justice.
     
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    Mueller isn't even going to be there. This is so weird.

    That has never happened before.
     
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    Mueller has the freedom to speak out against anything that Barr says. Maybe Trump is just a small part of the whole report and there's information in the report that could effect national security issues. That would explain Mike Pompeo's involvement.

    I do think it's very important for Mueller to appear before congress in an open hearing to discuss every detail of his findings. Make it happen.
     
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    Mueller helped Barr make the redactions so i don't see a need for Mueller to be at the press conference. Let Congress grill him later.
     
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    cavsfan1985 ^ kind of a big deal!

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    Why would it be that? If the report is published, outside the political side of allowing one side to see it first, why does it matter? If this was you, would you not want the chance to defend yourself and your public image?
     

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