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I'm pretty much certain that he's going to kill Cersei first.
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I'm pretty much certain that he's going to kill Cersei first.
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Wow, totally forgot about that. Has to happen. I think that'd complete his arc. Cersei is such a vile fucking character. It's testament to her portrayal that I was cheering during her revenge in S6E10.
What a great story this is with amazing characters. Sad it's coming to an end.
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I thought that was Season 5.
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About those books....
I'm really wondering how differently GRRM will portray events in the North compared to what happened in Season 6. Rickon is seemingly not going to be held by Ramsay, but rather rescued by Davos. And the internal divisions at Winterfell with the Manderlys, etc., also were in the books but not the show. And then there is the whole "fake Arya" storyline.
Seems to me that Sansa doesn't come North to marry Bolton, and the Vale never comes to the rescue. So we should be getting something approaching almost a completely different story for the North. So that's something to look forward to whenever he finishes it.
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Agreed, though I am moving forward as if they are never going to be finished.
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It's a perfect end for his arc. He's spent the whole story reviled as the Kingslayer even though what he did was necessary, and now he's going to kill Cercei, who has become the Mad Queen.
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So watching it again when Sansa starts her monologue, about the lone wolf and the pack, you see an overhead shot of 12 people circling the wagons, so to speak, and then a shot of Jon riding off alone. I'd say it's a pretty clear reference to the story Old Nan tells of the Last Hero and his dozen companions. Kinda just like the Night's King being the 13th Lord Commander which was referenced in the show in season 4 where we see the Night's King turning the baby into a White Walker, with 6 other Walkers standing on either side him, making him the 13th.
Sticking with my theory that the original Last Hero made a truce with the Children, only to then find a way, after becoming Lord Commander, to take control over the White Walkers from the Children for himself, thus the Hero became the Night's King.
Sticking with my theory that the original Last Hero made a truce with the Children, only to then find a way, after becoming Lord Commander, to take control over the White Walkers from the Children for himself, thus the Hero became the Night's King.
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Well, there's the "valonquar" prophecy that strongly suggests she'll be killed by her younger brother. She's always assumed it would be Tyrion, but....
Also, Arya just killed Walder Frey. It would be odd for her to land in Westeros, go all the way to the Twins, then return to KL just to kill Cersei. Although I'm not sure that kind of logic would inhibit the showrunners.
If she does return to KL, I suspect her victim would be Jaime after he's offed Cersei. After all, he was really the one who got her father killed, and who crippled Bran (although she doesn't yet know that).
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How Arya plays into all of this really is a good question. I don't think she kills Cercei, though. It seems much more fitting for Jaime to kill her, and as I mentioned it basically wraps up his character arc nicely.
Was there the valonquar prophecy on the show, though? I know they had the gold shrouds part of her prophecy, but I was thinking they left off the valonquar portion of it.
I guess the show could go in a different direction. I think Jaime is a lock to kill Cercei in the books, but it is worth noting that the show hasn't really portrayed their growing rift at all. In the books, that's a huge part of Jaime's character arc. On the show, it's nonexistent.
Was there the valonquar prophecy on the show, though? I know they had the gold shrouds part of her prophecy, but I was thinking they left off the valonquar portion of it.
I guess the show could go in a different direction. I think Jaime is a lock to kill Cercei in the books, but it is worth noting that the show hasn't really portrayed their growing rift at all. In the books, that's a huge part of Jaime's character arc. On the show, it's nonexistent.
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It is nonexistent on the show, but has there really been much interaction between them since she used the wildfire he killed Aerys to stop? I honestly don't remember. I also don't think the valonquar prophecy was on the show, but there's nothing saying Cersei can't either recall another detail, or go back and see Maggy again.
Jaime killing Cersei is such a huge part of their character arcs that I'd be really puzzled if the showrunners went in a different direction. There just doesn't seem to be any reason to vary from the text in that case.
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You could say that about a lot of the changes they've made on the show. A lot of them just feel pointless, like the showrunners wanted to put their own stamp on the source material even though their changes are often objectively worse than the source.
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I don't know -- for the most part, I think the changes either were an improvement, or I can at least see the argument/reason for doing so. Saying they're objectively worse is elevating opinion to fact.
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I've always thought Arya was going to end up being a very tragic character. She was going to either kill someone that everyone likes, or get killed, or somehow end up doing the work of the bad guys.
For whatever reason I've always thought she'd end up killing Sansa.
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