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The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

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Dragon fire is different than normal fire, though. I'd have to imagine dragon fire would destroy them.

Fire, I don't think, has any effect on the white walkers. They walked through the fire to get to bloodraven and this was dragon fire (burning on the ground) that the NK walked right through. I think they will be in for a rude awakening if they try to use fire on the WWs.

Also the 3 heads of the dragon

Dany - Fire
NK - Ice
Jon - Ice and Fire
 
Things I liked:

-The moment with Jon and Dany was pretty good. Thought his knee bend made sense after what she just did and sacrificed for him. And that might have been Emilia Clarke's best acting on the show.

-Loved Jon and Jorah's conversation about Longclaw. Both characters owned it.

-Benjen Stark's appearance was a good payoff. As brief as it was, they really captured Jon's awe.

-Viserion turning. Something I think many of us predicted. As sad as it is, was needed to add some more weight to the Northern threat.

Things that were not great (most already mentioned):

-The time travel was ridiculous. I don't even blame them for this if the budget was such an issue, but this episode should have been three episodes.

-This plan was stupid from the start. All this to convince Cersei effing Lannister that there's a threat? She's weak, her army is almost eliminated, and even if you do get the wight down there, no reason to believe she'll care (she has an undead bodyguard after all) or won't just stab you in the back.

-At least twice (Thoros getting mauled & Tormund getting overwhelmed) it took at least 10 seconds for anyone that was standing right next to them to help. Was frustrating to watch.

-I'll buy that the walkers had those massive chains and a SCUBA crew to pull out Viserion, but you have to introduce the fact that there's a Lowe's in the Frostfangs at some point earlier in the show.

-Arya/Sansa squabbling is not working. Another victim of rushing through the season.

-And my biggest beef...

WHERE THE EFF ARE YOU AT, BRAN?? Guy has all the answers and he's just sulking by his weirwood. Why do you have the knowledge if you're not going to help out. YOUR FAMILY IS FALLING APART! *Tommy Wiseau voice* Step the eff up, man.
 
Never thought I would have such feelings towards an animated predator.

This is an awesome sentence. You need to write a review on amazon for the box set with this sentence. I want it on a t-shirt

GoT season 7: never thought I would have such feeling towards an animated predator

Killing me @cavman:chuckle:
 
Things I liked:

-The moment with Jon and Dany was pretty good. Thought his knee bend made sense after what she just did and sacrificed for him. And that might have been Emilia Clarke's best acting on the show.

-Loved Jon and Jorah's conversation about Longclaw. Both characters owned it.

-Benjen Stark's appearance was a good payoff. As brief as it was, they really captured Jon's awe.

-Viserion turning. Something I think many of us predicted. As sad as it is, was needed to add some more weight to the Northern threat.

Things that were not great (most already mentioned):

-The time travel was ridiculous. I don't even blame them for this if the budget was such an issue, but this episode should have been three episodes.

-This plan was stupid from the start. All this to convince Cersei effing Lannister that there's a threat? She's weak, her army is almost eliminated, and even if you do get the wight down there, no reason to believe she'll care (she has an undead bodyguard after all) or won't just stab you in the back.

-At least twice (Thoros getting mauled & Tormund getting overwhelmed) it took at least 10 seconds for anyone that was standing right next to them to help. Was frustrating to watch.

-I'll buy that the walkers had those massive chains and a SCUBA crew to pull out Viserion, but you have to introduce the fact that there's a Lowe's in the Frostfangs at some point earlier in the show.

-Arya/Sansa squabbling is not working. Another victim of rushing through the season.

-And my biggest beef...

WHERE THE EFF ARE YOU AT, BRAN?? Guy has all the answers and he's just sulking by his weirwood. Why do you have the knowledge if you're not going to help out. YOUR FAMILY IS FALLING APART! *Tommy Wiseau voice* Step the eff up, man.

So I'm interested to see what George does with Bran, because this seems to be a problem the story will have.

If he can see everything............................................................where does the drama come from? Like, I don't know what you do with a character that can just see anything and everything except, for no apparent reason, hide them, like the show is doing.
 
Just realized next week is the season finale.

For some reason I was under the impression it was 8 episodes this year.
 
Yea, we're so far beyond the books in terms of white walker lore I have no earthly idea.

We haven't even seen a leader yet, only stories of ancient figures and such. We've seen exactly one Walker killed, and it was by Sam, and he was alone. Jon didn't go to Hardhome in the books, it happened out of sight and you learn about it through survivor tales. And that's the extent of it.

THanks George, maybe take another 3 or 4 years brother!

Well then I'm more comfortable saying that killing the King literally kills all his followers at once is stupid.
 
The ending might have been memorable (ice dragon, Dany and Jon, etc.) but the journey to get there was some of the worst storytelling the show has ever done. At times I felt like I was watching a lesser show - or at the very least a different one. The plot to send a band of Avengers to kidnap a zombie from an army of zombies and white walkers, transport that zombie back to king's landing, convince Cersei Lannister of all people to partake in an armistice (when she could be wiped out quickly anyway), and then come back to the wall all before the white walkers and wights walk to the wall is straight up ludicrous. Nevermind that Jon who has his own army, wildlings, and nightswatchmen decides to go on this adventure himself instead of sending someone else...and then does so with six people plus extras, one of who is a freaking blacksmith, and five of whom he has never met and who have never been north of the wall. Nevermind that Jorah has spent multiple seasons doing everything from kidnapping Tyrion, voluntarily fighting in the pits, and finding a cure for an incurable disease just to be by Dany's side...only to then immediately volunteer to go on this mission. Nevermind that Tyrion, aka the most recognizable and wanted person in Westeros, would volunteer to go and set up a meeting with Jaime in King's Landing for the chance at setting up an armistice in the event that the Avengers crew successfully kidnaps a zombie that Tyrion doesn't even believe in...an armistice with Cersei Lannister of all people who Tyrion knows better than most is not going to give a shit.

And then let's talk about the Avengers mission itself. Jon kills a white walker and all of the surrounding wights die except for one that the Avengers squad can conveniently kidnap. Then when the squad is stuck in the ice, the white walkers don't throw anything at them despite the Night King apparently being an Olympic caliber javelin thrower who has a quarry of ice spears capable of killing dragons. The squad is also rescued by Westeros's first Uber ride courtesy of Dany's dragons in one of the most blatant deus ex machinas in television history. In the time that they are stuck on the ice, Gendry is able to run the distance it took the squad potentially days to march, a raven flies at the speed of light to Dragonstone, and then Daeneyrs arrives exactly as the wights finally start attacking. Speaking of which, why on Earth didn't they take ravens with them as the Nightswatch has done at other times when journeying north of the wall? But that was only the first deus ex machine, as Jon also requires Benjen to come out of nowhere to save him as well. It also strikes me that for such a horrendously stupid plan, only Thoros and a bunch of extras dying seems very un-Martin-like. The show and the books have always been about foolish plans getting punished, and I'm actually amazed that so many got away from that fight.

And somehow none of that is as bad as Arya versus Sansa. But this post is long enough and I'll save my gripes about that for now.
 
Beric is one bad ass dude. One of the coolest moments in the series was When they were about to get swarmed and he just get into his stance and his sword lights up. Fucking awesome.
 
The ending might have been memorable (ice dragon, Dany and Jon, etc.) but the journey to get there was some of the worst storytelling the show has ever done. At times I felt like I was watching a lesser show - or at the very least a different one. The plot to send a band of Avengers to kidnap a zombie from an army of zombies and white walkers, transport that zombie back to king's landing, convince Cersei Lannister of all people to partake in an armistice (when she could be wiped out quickly anyway), and then come back to the wall all before the white walkers and wights walk to the wall is straight up ludicrous. Nevermind that Jon who has his own army, wildlings, and nightswatchmen decides to go on this adventure himself instead of sending someone else...and then does so with six people plus extras, one of who is a freaking blacksmith, and five of whom he has never met and who have never been north of the wall. Nevermind that Jorah has spent multiple seasons doing everything from kidnapping Tyrion, voluntarily fighting in the pits, and finding a cure for an incurable disease just to be by Dany's side...only to then immediately volunteer to go on this mission. Nevermind that Tyrion, aka the most recognizable and wanted person in Westeros, would volunteer to go and set up a meeting with Jaime in King's Landing for the chance at setting up an armistice in the event that the Avengers crew successfully kidnaps a zombie that Tyrion doesn't even believe in...an armistice with Cersei Lannister of all people who Tyrion knows better than most is not going to give a shit.

And then let's talk about the Avengers mission itself. Jon kills a white walker and all of the surrounding wights die except for one that the Avengers squad can conveniently kidnap. Then when the squad is stuck in the ice, the white walkers don't throw anything at them despite the Night King apparently being an Olympic caliber javelin thrower who has a quarry of ice spears capable of killing dragons. The squad is also rescued by Westeros's first Uber ride courtesy of Dany's dragons in one of the most blatant deus ex machinas in television history. In the time that they are stuck on the ice, Gendry is able to run the distance it took the squad potentially days to march, a raven flies at the speed of light to Dragonstone, and then Daeneyrs arrives exactly as the wights finally start attacking. Speaking of which, why on Earth didn't they take ravens with them as the Nightswatch has done at other times when journeying north of the wall? But that was only the first deus ex machine, as Jon also requires Benjen to come out of nowhere to save him as well. It also strikes me that for such a horrendously stupid plan, only Thoros and a bunch of extras dying seems very un-Martin-like. The show and the books have always been about foolish plans getting punished, and I'm actually amazed that so many got away from that fight.

And somehow none of that is as bad as Arya versus Sansa. But this post is long enough and I'll save my gripes about that for now.

But the foolish plan did get punished. Heavily.
 
Things I liked:

-The moment with Jon and Dany was pretty good. Thought his knee bend made sense after what she just did and sacrificed for him. And that might have been Emilia Clarke's best acting on the show.

-Loved Jon and Jorah's conversation about Longclaw. Both characters owned it.

-Benjen Stark's appearance was a good payoff. As brief as it was, they really captured Jon's awe.

-Viserion turning. Something I think many of us predicted. As sad as it is, was needed to add some more weight to the Northern threat.

Things that were not great (most already mentioned):

-The time travel was ridiculous. I don't even blame them for this if the budget was such an issue, but this episode should have been three episodes.

-This plan was stupid from the start. All this to convince Cersei effing Lannister that there's a threat? She's weak, her army is almost eliminated, and even if you do get the wight down there, no reason to believe she'll care (she has an undead bodyguard after all) or won't just stab you in the back.

-At least twice (Thoros getting mauled & Tormund getting overwhelmed) it took at least 10 seconds for anyone that was standing right next to them to help. Was frustrating to watch.

-I'll buy that the walkers had those massive chains and a SCUBA crew to pull out Viserion, but you have to introduce the fact that there's a Lowe's in the Frostfangs at some point earlier in the show.

-Arya/Sansa squabbling is not working. Another victim of rushing through the season.

-And my biggest beef...

WHERE THE EFF ARE YOU AT, BRAN?? Guy has all the answers and he's just sulking by his weirwood. Why do you have the knowledge if you're not going to help out. YOUR FAMILY IS FALLING APART! *Tommy Wiseau voice* Step the eff up, man.

Yeah, pretty much my (and everyone else's) thoughts about Tyrion's dumbass plan. She may be the single least altruistic character in the show, definitely the least altruistic character still alive, and you're supposed to make her care about a distant threat that will destroy her enemies before it ever gets close to her?

This is the same character that said "When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die." She doesn't give a damn if the white walkers, Dany, or Jon ends up victorious since she knows she won't survive to see it.

I don't see why they couldn't have gotten her to accept an armistice from the beginning. Dany's armies are mostly intact and she had 3 dragons, while Cersei just lost her Lannister army. What possible leverage does she have to keep the war going? Just park your armies outside of King's Landing and force an armistice down her throat if you don't want to finish her off right away. She'll backstab and scheme and break it once it suits her, but you already know that's what she'll do regardless.

Don't even get me started on the whole Winterfell plotline...

The whole thing was just rushed exposition and lazy writing, which sadly takes away from the impact that an amazing sequence like that one should have.
 
The night king tossed that spear like he'd never thrown a spear in his life. Yet it came out of his hand with more velocity than the machine that was built to fire large bolts/spears. I wish he had thrown that spear with a little more conviction. He was just kind of stationary.

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This is an awesome sentence. You need to write a review on amazon for the box set with this sentence. I want it on a t-shirt

GoT season 7: never thought I would have such feeling towards an animated predator

Killing me @cavman:chuckle:

Well, I think I think if we want to be really crtitical, I believe the Dragons have a case for the throne.
Seriously though, I will not take another dragon casualty, it's too much for me, especially since it was an improbable death and that throw was just ridiculous.

Show has become a real thriller, but they are missing on a lot of stuff and kinda screwing over some good storylines and characters. Really with they didnt constraint themselves to only two seasons. Show has completely lost it's backstory, sub plots and now that everything happens so fast there is no build up..
 
There is a lot to be critical about last night's episode, I don't think the spear throw is necessarily one of them. The Night King is a God-like, literal extraordinary being with presumed super strength.

A dragon had to die and I imagine GRRM's original thinking was it would be turned by the Night King.
 
There is a lot to be critical about last night's episode, I don't think the spear throw is necessarily one of them. The Night King is a God-like, literal extraordinary being with presumed super strength.

A dragon had to die and I imagine GRRM's original thinking was it would be turned by the Night King.
Like the plan itself being ludicrous? An extraction mission more difficult than one that has ever been conceived.
 

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