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Is this an attempt at a cogent point?

If you're going to imply my dead friend "didn't try to see a doctor", pull your crystal ball out of your ass, because he did. He's dead. Your point is stupid.

Ad hominem? Just checking...
 
Who knew that before Obamacare all non-rich handicapped and sick people were left to die in the street.
Some of you are truly naive in your belief in partisan propaganda.

I'm not ungrateful for the help I have gotten in my life in this great country. That being said the care for adults born with disabilities was lacking before 2009. It turned into treating problems as they came up, not a focus on preventing them. I'm very comfortable in saying I would have been dead had we not done the ACA.

While I would have never been left in the street to die, I would have been left to die at home in my bed had the bulk of my care not been changed to focus on why were my kidneys failing, why was I getting infections almost non stop.

To me this talk is not partisan propaganda, this scares the shit out of some of us because we have lived it. This bill if passed is going to be bad for someone, and from what my doctors are telling me it's going to be me.
 
o me this talk is not partisan propaganda, this scares the shit out of some of us because we have lived it. This bill if passed is going to be bad for someone, and from what my doctors are telling me it's going to be me.

It sounds like ObamaCare was much better for you than what came before. And what is being proposed will be worse for you. I can appreciate that.
But we have two other points that need to be acknowledged.
1) For many people it is the opposite. They are much worse off under ObamaCare because they can't afford the premiums they now are being asked to pay.
2) ObamaCare is self-destructing.

It seems that both the Republican and the Democratic approaches to healthcare are flawed and very dangerous to large groups of people.
Everything I hear solidifies my view that single payer is the way to go and it is the corruption and dirty money influence in the two major parties that is preventing that from happening.
 
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Everything I hear solidifies my view that single payer is the way to go and it is the corruption and dirty money influence in the two major parties that is preventing that from happening.

I'm going to drag this response over to the ObamaCare thread.....
 
It sounds like ObamaCare was much better for you than what came before. And what is being proposed will be worse for you. I can appreciate that.
But we have two other points that need to be acknowledged.
1) For many people it is the opposite. They are much worse off under ObamaCare because they can't afford the premiums they now are being asked to pay.
2) ObamaCare is self-destructing.

It seems that both the Republican and the Democratic approaches to healthcare are flawed and very dangerous to large groups of people.
Everything I hear solidifies my view that single payer is the way to go and it is the corruption and dirty money influence in the two major parties that is preventing that from happening.

I don't really disagree with you at all. Really I'm just tired of the uncertainty all the time. I see the flaws with the ACA, I see my step dads coverage get more expensive every year. So I'm not in the camp of because it's good for me, it's good for you. I just want to not feel threatened to lose care all the time, and for the love of god see both sides work together. That is what really bothers me.
 
I don't really disagree with you at all. Really I'm just tired of the uncertainty all the time. I see the flaws with the ACA, I see my step dads coverage get more expensive every year. So I'm not in the camp of because it's good for me, it's good for you. I just want to not feel threatened to lose care all the time, and for the love of god see both sides work together. That is what really bothers me.
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I just want to not feel threatened to lose care all the time

I agree...and not just for you or me.
I makes me sick to think there are people out there who are not getting decent medical care because they or their parents can't pay or can't navigate the BS system to get the care.
If someone needs meds or dental or optical or surgery, it should be cut and dried. You go in and they treat you. It shouldn't matter if you are a bank president or a homeless person.

If that was the starting point of a new healthcare law, how hard could it be?
 
It sounds like ObamaCare was much better for you than what came before. And what is being proposed will be worse for you. I can appreciate that.
But we have two other points that need to be acknowledged.
1) For many people it is the opposite. They are much worse off under ObamaCare because they can't afford the premiums they now are being asked to pay.
2) ObamaCare is self-destructing.

It seems that both the Republican and the Democratic approaches to healthcare are flawed and very dangerous to large groups of people.
Everything I hear solidifies my view that single payer is the way to go and it is the corruption and dirty money influence in the two major parties that is preventing that from happening.

They can't afford the premiums because the GOP-controlled states they live in are refusing the funding. You know what, whittaker? Fuck you, man. You refuse to acknowledge that the GOP is fully in control of what is happening to the ACA. You continue to spout off this nonsense that the ACA is "imploding," when what really is happening is that GOP-controlled states are allowing it to happen so they can use it to their political advantage.

You want to talk about this shit on it's merits? Why not talk about how the GOP is refusing to take care of their OWN FUCKING PEOPLE so they can score political points? Points that they'll score based on the DEATHS of the people they're supposed to be looking out for. That's blood on their hands. Fuck, man.
 
They can't afford the premiums because the GOP-controlled states they live in are refusing the funding.

Uh....what "funding" are you talking about here? The Medicaid expansion, or something else?
 
They can't afford the premiums because the GOP-controlled states they live in are refusing the funding. You know what, whittaker? Fuck you, man. You refuse to acknowledge that the GOP is fully in control of what is happening to the ACA. You continue to spout off this nonsense that the ACA is "imploding," when what really is happening is that GOP-controlled states are allowing it to happen so they can use it to their political advantage.

You want to talk about this shit on it's merits? Why not talk about how the GOP is refusing to take care of their OWN FUCKING PEOPLE so they can score political points? Points that they'll score based on the DEATHS of the people they're supposed to be looking out for. That's blood on their hands. Fuck, man.
Ohio has been all in on the Medicaid and other functions of the ACA.
Anthem did not withdraw from the market until after congress forwarded new health care legislation to the Senate.

It would not surprise me if Anthems decision to pull out of the market was purely a political one.
 
Big week for the Supreme Court. Some pretty high-profile decisions coming down, and the big rumor about Kennedy possibly retiring. For those of us who voted for Trump despite his, uh, quirks, a second Supreme Court appointment is a really big deal.
 
Big week for the Supreme Court. Some pretty high-profile decisions coming down, and the big rumor about Kennedy possibly retiring. For those of us who voted for Trump despite his, uh, quirks, a second Supreme Court appointment is a really big deal.

Yes it is Comrade Q-Tip; yes it is...
 
Supreme Court came out and took the Trump Executive Order case for the October Term. But in the meantime, they actually stayed the injunction (win for Trump) for prospective immigrants who do not have a "credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States." Further on, it describes that as a "close" familiar relationship (why didn't the fuckers get more specific???), a student who already has been admitted to an American university, or someone with a confirmed job offer.

Sounds to me almost like they decided it based on standing. Because if you didn't have any of those, there isn't anyone here in the U.S. who can raise a claim of injury.

Order was 6-3, with 3 justices saying they would have let the entire ban take affect. Kennedy is likely going to be replaced, so the question is whether Robert's decided the way he did on the merits, or on the likelihood of irreparable harm.

ETA: Having read the decision, it was very much an equitable one that ended up dovetailing with standing, so it really isn't possible to know which way it would necessarily go in the fall.

Also leaves open the possibility that the Administration will just jack up the screening criteria.
 
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