The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[The Human Q-Tip]

It's 3 years. And they turned the heat up on Franken cause a couple more accusers showed up, the volume did him in

Okay, I don't want either of them for three years.

Franken will be replaced by someone who will basically vote the same way - no real public impact whether he resigns or not. That's not the case in Alabama.

 

[Sebastian]

Why were they okay with him keeping his seat a few days ago, and then after Moore has a big and successful rally they want him gone?

More women came forward in the past 24 hours with credible allegations. That is why he is toast.

This isn't some conspiracy. You never, ever want to lose an incumbent in a Senate seat even if it is a safe state. Anything can happen before election day 2020, hence why we are talking about this at all with Moore.

Willingly losing a Senate seat just to make the GOP look bad is a suicidal tactical error.

 

[Los216]

Why were they okay with him keeping his seat a few days ago, and then after Moore has a big and successful rally they want him gone?

Well look at how it all went down today. They didn't just wake up today and say fuck it. This was orchestrated before hand. Franken even hinted publicly that there could be more accusers and that's exactly what happened. So I wouldn't say that they were okay with Franked keeping his seat a few days ago. More like they executed this about as well as they could unlike what The GOP is doing with Moore.

 

[Los216]

I forgot who it was but I mentioned before that when Trump inevitably goes down he's taking everybody. Everything we know about Trump suggest that he will.

View: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/938044521086111744

 

[MediumBaller]

More women came forward in the past 24 hours with credible allegations. That is why he is toast.

This isn't some conspiracy. You never, ever want to lose an incumbent in a Senate seat even if it is a safe state. Anything can happen before election day 2020, hence why we are talking about this at all with Moore.

Willingly losing a Senate seat just to make the GOP look bad is a suicidal tactical error.

But how many accusers were there before today? To me there's no discernible difference between, say, 5 accusers and 7 accusers. What makes the new ones in the past 24 hours significant enough to change their minds when they were fine with him keeping his seat after multiple allegations of sexual misconduct?

 

[Sebastian]

I just don't see how that strategy jives with giving Bill free reign on the campaign trail in 2016.

I know a lot of the more leaning left posters here don't like the Clintons, so peace, but Bill was a major part of the Presidential run.

The skeptical side of nearly everyone says.....Conyers gets replaced by a democrat and the guy is 88. GTFO.

Franken is in a more liberal state and his seat isn't really at risk....GTFO.

Now take the high road and paint Republicans as Pedo champions.

It's politics.....the whole thing is a huge circle jerk (pardon the pun).

Clinton whataburger.

But, to address the larger point:

1) Only a month or so has passed since the Weinstein thing broke, but, it might as well have been a decade. It is a different world now. This sexual assault shit no longer flies. If Clinton was an active political today, it is likely he would have met with the same fate as Franken, Conyers, Wes Goodman etc.

2) The GOP painted themselves into a corner, no one else. They did do the right thing two weeks ago when the White House and the Senate GOP denounced Moore.

They did the absolute worst thing possible by now openly supporting him when the seat looks like it is in jeopardy. It appears that, upon further consideration, and after more credible evidence has come in, that they are willing to seat a Pedo for political reasons. And the NRA is now also willing to support him. No one forced them to make that error, and, quite frankly, I don't think it helps Moore's chances at all. It is a really stupid move because now they are saddled with him no matter what happens.

3) The notion that having a sitting Senator resign to make the GOP look bad, by claiming the high ground, is simply a very dubious argument. You do not risk Senate seats, no matter how safe they seem, for a moral victory. No sane party leadership would ever follow that strategy.

4) Somethings should be above politics and that is why people on both sides of the aisle are not ok with that POTUS and the RNC did yesterday regarding Moore.

 

[MediumBaller]

I forgot who it was but I mentioned before that when Trump inevitably goes down he's taking everybody. Everything we know about Trump suggest that he will.

View: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/938044521086111744

I hope he does destroy the GOP. It's a useless party that can barely govern while controlling both Congress and the presidency.

 

[Sebastian]

But how many accusers were there before today? To me there's no discernible difference between, say, 5 accusers and 7 accusers. What makes the new ones in the past 24 hours significant enough to change their minds when they were fine with him keeping his seat after multiple allegations of sexual misconduct?

There is quite a difference. If you don't believe me, check with some HR people about whether numbers and credibility matters. Within the military I know for a fact that it matters.

Moreover, there is an enormous difference between one accusation and eight. Some Senators were calling for him to leave after the third allegation. Now, at eight, there is simply no justifying his continued presence in the Senate.

 

[billmac91]

I forgot who it was but I mentioned before that when Trump inevitably goes down he's taking everybody. Everything we know about Trump suggest that he will.

View: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/938044521086111744

This isn't really relevant to the current investigation. Even if you take those comments as factual, by "taking down everybody" he meant forcefully rebuking the Republican Party for not supporting him through the turbulence. He would've turned his voters against the other republicans on ballots which would've sunk their chances in their own races...

But then you have people saying if he goes down due to Mueller he's going to take everyone with him. Outside of his administration.....who? And why would he target republicans when it's a largely democrat pool of investigators conducting the probe. If he goes down, republicans will be running from him, and it's a guy who has spent a single year in Washington.

The hyperbole in these tweets is fantasy....it's tough to take it seriously.

 

[Sebastian]

I hope he does destroy the GOP. It's a useless party that can barely govern while controlling both Congress and the presidency.

It is barely a party at all any more.

It is functioning as little more than a cipher for monied interests and, increasingly to its dismay, cheerleaders for men who are forcing them to abandon their moral values.

 

[Los216]

This isn't really relevant to the current investigation. Even if you take those comments as factual, by "taking down everybody" he meant forcefully rebuking the Republican Party for not supporting him through the turbulence. He would've turned his voters against the other republicans on ballots which would've sunk their chances in their own races...

But then you have people saying if he goes down due to Mueller he's going to take everyone with him. Outside of his administration.....who? And why would he target republicans when it's a largely democrat pool of investigators conducting the probe. If he goes down, republicans will be running from him, and it's a guy who has spent a single year in Washington.

The hyperbole in these tweets is fantasy....it's tough to take it seriously.

What? Bob Mueller is leading this investigation and he's a career Republican. Have you seen how the Republicans in Congress are dragging their ass in the congressional investigation into Trump/Russia? Republicans did not want Trump from the beginning. Somewhere along the lines they changed and endorsed him. What changed? Hell Donald Trump isn't even a damn republican himself.

 

[Maximus]

It is barely a party at all any more.

It is functioning as little more than a cipher for monied interests and, increasingly to its dismay, cheerleaders for men who are forcing them to abandon their moral values.

Come on, let's all be honest, the Clintons and the DNC aren't any better...this conversation will end badly. So I'm out.

 

[Sebastian]

Come on, let's all be honest, the Clintons and the DNC aren't any better...this conversation will end badly. So I'm out.

I accept your invitation to not get into it in detail.

I leave you with this glorious picture:

Behold the pornstache and quail at its coming.

 

[billmac91]

What? Bob Mueller is leading this investigation and he's a career Republican. Have you seen how the Republicans in Congress are dragging their ass in the congressional investigation into Trump/Russia? Republicans did not want Trump from the beginning. Somewhere along the lines they changed and endorsed him. What changed? Hell Donald Trump isn't even a damn republican himself.

Of the 15 FBI lawyers named publicly in this investigation, 99.12% of campaign contributions among his team went to Hillary Clinton. 6 of the 15 lawyers did not contribute funds to either campaign.....so they certainly look bipartisan. 9 on his staff did contribute. Guess who those 9 overwhelmingly supported?

• Among the lawyers who did make contributions, a total of $62,043 went to Democrats and $2,750 to Republicans, according to the special counsel’s office.
  
  
• In terms of Clinton specifically, election filings indicate that three lawyers gave her 2016 presidential campaign a total of $700; and three gave a total of $18,100 to either her 2016 campaign or her 2008 run for the presidential nomination.

And this doesn't include Peter Strzok who has been taken off the investigation after his partisan politics came to light. Good Ole' Pete who ran point on Flynn's FBI interview, but also ran point on interviews with Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills...in which they all got caught lying. No worry on Mills or Huma lying though....that's all good. No need to charge them....

It all looks so fair and balanced.

 

[Whittaker]

It's not a beauty contest where you win a title and there are no real-world consequences. It's electing someone to a position of significant power, and I want neither Doug Jones nor Roy Moore in that position for the next five years.

Best chance not to have that happen is to elect Moore, force him out, then have a do-over next November.

Don't take this personally but taking a moral position means sometimes you don't get what you want. If morality was always rewarded in this lifetime we would all be moral.
I say don't take this personally because you are not an Alabama voter or a national GOP leader, so you don't have a moral decision to make.
The GOP leadership, if they plan on helping Moore get elected and then ousting him, are acting immorally imo. If they believe he's a pedo they shouldn't back him. If they believe he's not, they shouldn't oust him.
If they won't act morally when it concerns Moore, his alleged victims and the Alabama voters, why should we think they will act morally running the country?
This is all assuming they are following the 'Elect then Oust' strategy suggested earlier.