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You have no evidence to date.

Do you see why this is a problem?

Are you really saying there is zero evidence of obstruction, Russian interference, or collusion, or you denying that what's been presented is make believe and made up by the media? Clear distinction so I can follow the train of thought.
 
One had blatant proof that it happened, the other did.


4 died, Hillary lied.

There once was a man named Trump
Who Russia thought him as a chump
He is vile and rude
And though he may not collude
Our health care is still in the dump
 
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Huber.. you know major investigations like this can take 2-4 Years before it comes to its conclusion


http://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/trump-russia-mueller-investigation-timelines/

Watergate

First break-in to convictions: 1,216 days


Whitewater/Monica Lewinsky

special counsel appointment to Senate acquiTtal: 1,857 days


Valerie Plame Identity Leak

State of the Union to commuted conviction: 1,616 days


Russia Investigation

DNC hack to present :727 days

speaking of the Russia investigation

http://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-ne...idence-nsa-leak-probe/A5kgAb6y7B7WiAr7F7WU1N/


There is a flash drive out there showing more classified information regarding Russian hacking.

Meanwhile Trump is trying to give 2 seized compounds to the Russians

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Fo...6-Presidential-Election/2017/06/24/id/797977/
Materials seized last year when former President Barack Obama ordered two Russian compounds in the U.S. closed included destroyed materials that could have aided the probe into claims Russia meddled in last year's presidential election, The Hill reported Saturday.

The materials included antennas, electronics, computers, file cabinets and other items and points to the possibility Russians were conducting intelligence in the U.S., which would be illegal. Officials suspected the Russian operation included the potential of hacking U.S. voting machines.

Obama closed the compounds in Maryland and New York as part of the administration's retributions for intelligence that indicted Russia was tampering with the 2016 presidential election. At least 35 diplomats were expelled.

At the time, White House officials said the move was due to harassment of U.S. personnel in Russia, CBS News reported Friday. President Donald Trump is reportedly considering returning the compounds, used as retreats, to Russian control, a move opposed by many senators including South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham.
 
What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?

"What difference does it make if Russia hacked the dnc and tried to alter the election for Trump?"
 
"What difference does it make if Russia hacked the dnc and tried to alter the election for Trump?"
If they did then we should hire them the next election to expose the dnc again
 
"What difference does it make if Russia hacked the dnc and tried to alter the election for Trump?"

You used quotes, who said that? Mine was a quote, though I didn't use the punctuation.
 
You used quotes, who said that? Mine was a quote, though I didn't use the punctuation.

A few Trump supporters in this thread.

Though it's possible they're just Hubering.

This is also becoming the company line at Fox.
 
A few Trump supporters in this thread.

Though it's possible they're just Hubering.

This is also becoming the company line at Fox.

I think understanding Russia's attempt to influence our election is important.

Do you really believe that involvement is why she lost, though? Honestly?
Is the sentiment from the left really Russia lost them the election or is it concern that Trump orchestrated the attempt, but not that it was a successful plan?
 
I think understanding Russia's attempt to influence our election is important.

Do you really believe that involvement is why she lost, though? Honestly?
Is the sentiment from the left really Russia lost them the election or is it concern that Trump orchestrated the attempt, but not that it was a successful plan?

Do I think the targeting of swing states where she ended up losing by a few thousand votes mattered?

Sure. I think that's a reasonable assumption to make.

It's not a binary situation.

Russia successfully helped influence the election, Hillary's poor strategy had an effect, the leaking of the DNC's emails had an effect (also perpetrated by Russia, but also they were corrupt).


Regardless of the opinion that it had an influence, Trump has essentially rewarded Russia for doing so, unless he has the opportunity to blame Obama for it. James Comey's questionable judgement to make a story out of what amounted to be nothing a few days befor the election had an effect.


This all seems pretty basic to me.
 
I think understanding Russia's attempt to influence our election is important.

Do you really believe that involvement is why she lost, though? Honestly?

If people are going to argue that she lost because of "scandal", then I think there's a much better argument that it was the email scandal that sunk her (the late-breaking Human Abedin stuff, etc.) -- which had nothing to do with the Russians -- rather than the DNC leaks.

In terms of the DNC leaks, that still boils down to the Russians exposing actual DNC corruption that otherwise would have been concealed from voters by the DNC. I'm not sure I understand the rationale of why the successful concealment of DNC election misconduct would make for a more legitimate election than the exposure of that misconduct, even if that exposure occurred through illegal means.
 
Do I think the targeting of swing states where she ended up losing by a few thousand votes mattered?

Sure. I think that's a reasonable assumption to make.

It's not a binary situation.

Russia successfully helped influence the election, Hillary's poor strategy had an effect, the leaking of the DNC's emails had an effect (also perpetrated by Russia, but also they were corrupt).


Regardless of the opinion that it had an influence, Trump has essentially rewarded Russia for doing so, unless he has the opportunity to blame Obama for it. James Comey's questionable judgement to make a story out of what amounted to be nothing a few days befor the election had an effect.


This all seems pretty basic to me.

So, I'll restate it, binary or not, to a question that, I feel, is reasonable to answer.

Do you believe Russia's attempts to influence our election cost Hillary the Presidency? Yes or no question.

A "No" answer means you believe she'd have lost regardless of Russian interference. A "Yes" answer means you believe, well, just what the question says, they cost her the office.

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to pin you down w/ some ulterior motive, I'm just curious if that's the actual belief, still.
 
So, I'll restate it, binary or not, to a question that, I feel, is reasonable to answer.

Do you believe Russia's attempts to influence our election cost Hillary the Presidency? Yes or no question.

Well, it's not a yes or know answer unless you're able to directly quantify the impact of their targeted fake news. Since that is impossible, we'll simply never be able to know for sure.

A "No" answer means you believe she'd have lost regardless of Russian interference. A "Yes" answer means you believe, well, just what the question says, they cost her the office.

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to pin you down w/ some ulterior motive, I'm just curious if that's the actual belief, still.

This should be irrelevant.

Russia doesn't get to make any impact on our election process and get rewarded and/or a flat denial of the intelligence community's own assessment of their involvement.


That doesn't get to happen without repercussions, not the reversing of some of those repercussions put in place by the previous administration.

You don't just let it go if you can't reasonably determine whether or not it altered the outcome.
 
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