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"Just a moment, Admiral, sir. I'll explain what happened. Your revered Admiral Nogura invoked a little-known, seldom-used 'reserve activation clause.' In simpler language, Admiral, they drafted me!"

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McCoy was no fucking square tho.. look at his get up and beard.... holy shit. :chuckle:
 
So was the whole Russia scandal a projection by the Democrats of their own crimes?

You have head of the congressional intelligence community, Devin Nunes, saying more evidence exists of collusion between the Clinton's and Russia than between Trump and Russia.

You have Fusion GPS desperately trying to cover up who funded the piss dossier.

All of this under the watchful eye of Obama and his "Scandal Free" presidency. Looks like the shoe is on the other table which has turned.

So is Russia real now because Tony Podesta is under investigation? Is it real on Mondays, but unreal on Tuesdays, and real again on Wednesdays?

How does this work?
 
Really???

I dunno man.. if the rich can weasel their way out of the draft (or combat in general) then is it equitable to every man, or is it simply a draft of those who can't afford to get out of it?
Yes. I greatly respect the men and women in the armed forces, but I morally oppose conscription both in principle and in practice. Like you said, it's often a draft of the poor. If I woke up tomorrow to news that there was going to be a draft then I would try finding a loophole, especially if it was a war in which the US wasn't being threatened or in danger.
 
Yes. I greatly respect the men and women in the armed forces, but I morally oppose conscription both in principle and in practice. Like you said, it's often a draft of the poor. If I woke up tomorrow to news that there was going to be a draft then I would try finding a loophole, especially if it was a war in which the US wasn't being threatened or in danger.

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Great take, I have nothing to worry about because the armed service wouldn't want my diabetic ass in a combat role.

Great take?? You really can't say that while your post offers nothing to the thread, Ty.

But since you seem to want to know what I think, well, I edited my post to simply dots and took out my last statement because if you guys are would-be draft dodgers then that's your prerogative.

I personally find something repugnant about the idea in a general sense.. And I don't mean in every case; but again, in a general case, yes I find it offensive. I guess you don't and that's okay..
 
Not sure why the edit, but it would depend on the circumstances of the war. I'm not trying to be a hero, I'm just trying to live.

Rugged individualism right?

And FWIW, I edited the post because I don't want to get into a conversation about the merits of draft-dodging.. I say that because, I think we have a different set of values, especially when it comes to civic responsibility and duty to one's country.
 
Great take?? You really can't say that while your post offers nothing to the thread, Ty.

But since you seem to want to know what I think, well, I edited my post to simply dots and took out my last statement because if you guys are would-be draft dodgers then that's your prerogative.

I personally find something repugnant about the idea in a general sense.. And I don't mean in every case; but again, in a general case, yes I find it offensive. I guess you don't and that's okay..
There's no point in quoting a post and then responding with only dots or an emoji. If you wanted to just do that you can rate the post with whatever button you feel like.

My post was just to say that a draft wouldn't effect me; which is a lot more informative than periods or emojis.
 
There's no point in quoting a post and then responding with only dots or an emoji. If you wanted to just do that you can rate the post with whatever button you feel like.

Ty, I had already written out a longer post, if you look at the bottom right of the post, or at Medium's response you'll see the post was edited to remove the content and replace it with three dots. I edited it because I didn't want to get into a long discuss about civic duty and responsibility over the draft.

Again, if you guys are okay with draft-dodging then I'm not going to argue with you...

My post was just to say that a draft wouldn't effect me; which is a lot more informative than periods or emojis.

Whether or not it would personally affect you because of your diabetes is in no way informative to the topic of draft-dodging. Think about what you're saying for a moment...
 
Ty, I had already written out a longer post, if you look at the bottom right of the post, or at Medium's response you'll see the post was edited to remove the content and replace it with three dots. I edited it because I didn't want to get into a long discuss about civic duty and responsibility over the draft.

Again, if you guys are okay with draft-dodging then I'm not going to argue with you...



Whether or not it would personally affect you because of your diabetes is in no way informative to the topic of draft-dodging. Think about what you're saying for a moment...
Yes it is. My circumstance along with other people with medical conditions wouldn't have to draft dodge. I wouldn't mind serving in the military if the need was great as long as I wasn't put in a non-combat role; which would never happen anyway.
 
Yes it is.

How does TyGuy having diabetes have anything to do with the ethics of abusing loopholes to avoid the draft?

My circumstance along with other people with medical conditions wouldn't have to draft dodge.

No shit... that's not in dispute.

I wouldn't mind serving in the military if the need was great as long as I wasn't put in a non-combat role; which would never happen anyway.

No one is talking about people with diabetes serving, that wasn't the topic.

Ty.. this thread of conversation is pointless.
 
How does TyGuy having diabetes have anything to do with the ethics of abusing loopholes to avoid the draft?



No shit... that's not in dispute.



No one is talking about people with diabetes serving, that wasn't the topic.

Ty.. this thread of conversation is pointless.
What about the ethics of conscription? I view it as involuntary servitude.
 
What about the ethics of conscription? I view it as involuntary servitude.

I think conscription may be necessary at times of great danger or an invasion. I don't think conscription, in and of itself, is unethical. The State of Israel, for example, has a very compelling ethical argument for it's conscription policy.

We have the luxury of living in a nation that is not threatened on any border or by any power that could reasonably invade us; thus, conscription for defensive purposes is almost impossible these days.

However, one could envision a scenario where the United States would need to fight abroad (WWII for instance), and in such a case, conscription makes a great deal of sense raising a massive force for an extended period of time.

Is it ideal? No.

Now, with respect to your concerns about involuntary servitude, I'm of the mind that a person should be allowed to avoid the draft as a conscientious objector. That is their right...
 
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