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When you have patients in that come out of the closet to you or talk about Freudian (I believe there's some gay stuff in there. Does anyone do this anymore?) stuff, do you ever just freak them out and ask them if they mind if you eat lunch while they blather on and just deep-throat a whole bratwurst in front of them?

Not sure what's considered proper medical decorum.
 
Let's throw health care on the pile of things Donald Trump isn't winning at.
 
Let's throw health care on the pile of things Donald Trump isn't winning at.
for now a victory for the people of the US. but the GOPers easily scare, but they'll soon be back, and in bigger numbers.

This is just the first battle, i would imagine there are going to be many. Im all about improving the ACA, but this just made things a lot worse.
 
for now a victory for the people of the US. but the GOPers easily scare, but they'll soon be back, and in bigger numbers.

This is just the first battle, i would imagine there are going to be many. Im all about improving the ACA, but this just made things a lot worse.

This actually made the approval rating of ACA go up.

Trump blaming Deme is hysterical. 40 votes short. The blame needs to be on the shit bill. You want lower health care costs, regulate the ability to fucking charge whatever they feel like for procedures.

A car might not be a person, but auto insurance is so fucking simple because the cost providers can charge isn't all over the fucking place.
 
for now a victory for the people of the US. but the GOPers easily scare, but they'll soon be back, and in bigger numbers.

This is just the first battle, i would imagine there are going to be many. Im all about improving the ACA, but this just made things a lot worse.

Not sure how its a victory for the people.....some states are soon to have zero insurers in their markets and many states are down to one option.

I'm not sure the ACA implodes in quite the manner Trump is saying, but between the premium increases, and coverage options, IMO, nobody wins today.

It is kind of strange Trump and his administration would lead with Healthcare rather than something he could get passed with more agreement such as tax reform.
 
This actually made the approval rating of ACA go up.

Trump blaming Deme is hysterical. 40 votes short. The blame needs to be on the shit bill. You want lower health care costs, regulate the ability to fucking charge whatever they feel like for procedures.

A car might not be a person, but auto insurance is so fucking simple because the cost providers can charge isn't all over the fucking place.

The problem is that you're coming at this from a place of common sense. Prepare to be disappointed.
 
IMO R's lead with healthcare because they knew all along that a bill meeting Trump's promises could not
be squared with Republican 'principles'.

Best to get the loss off the table and move on; all the while refusing to address inevitable issues with the ACA.
 
IMO R's lead with healthcare because they knew all along that a bill meeting Trump's promises could not
be squared with Republican 'principles'.

Best to get the loss off the table and move on; all the while refusing to address inevitable issues with the ACA.

Bingo.

Fail the same amounts of people and blame someone else.

Both bills suck. And the only way to improve isn't through fixing the bills. Got to fix the system.
 
IMO R's lead with healthcare because they knew all along that a bill meeting Trump's promises could not
be squared with Republican 'principles'.

Best to get the loss off the table and move on; all the while refusing to address inevitable issues with the ACA.

It's an interesting theory but I don't believe Trump would be willing to take the hit to his ego....

A lot of people do believe the republicans could be playing the "long game" here though. If Obamacare implodes the way insurance companies claim it will, and premiums increase another 50-100% across the board (after already increasing a shitload) it would be an interesting strategy.

All that said, I just can't see Trump ever taking a public L to play the "long game". I think Paul Ryan thought he could get this passed and came up short.....I also think this Freedom Caucus was sending a message about being pushed around and they also had legitimate issues with the new bill.

If anything in regards to the way this situation played out, I honestly believe republicans should be given some credit for not blindly supporting a bill just because it was led by their party.....the last time that happened we got stuck with Obamacare and by almost all measures it's been a catastrophe. A catastrophe that will only get worse if you believe insurance industry insiders and CEO's.....
 
Is there a way for me to stop paying 25% more for health insurance every year? Is Trump gonna fix that?

Fuck everyone else. My wife and I are getting shit on every which way here in PA. Every year our insurance has gone up since this was instituted.
 
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Is there a way for me to stop paying 25% more for health insurance every year? Is Trump gonna fix that?

Fuck everyone else. My wife and I are getting shit on every which way here in PA. Every year our insurance has gone up since this was instituted.

Yeah, it's called regulating the health care industry.

Why do routine procedures cost so much here? Because no one is going to tell them no. No health provider gives a fuck about your own long term well being. It's "managing" your diseases is so important instead of completely trying to eliminate them.

Read up on other countries healthcare, specifically Japan. Japan regulated it and completely reigned in total control on cost. The government/municipalities (so, federal and states) combine for a portion that basically equates to 70%. You then pay 30%. You don't have business people running med providers and you have little to no medical profit. They also push general practitioners as your primary contact, because regularly getting checkups is how you avoid finding catastrophic problems too late and you scramble. It lowers costs.
 
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I'm all about anything that results in increased access to mental health care in underserved areas. Increased mental health care is not only beneficial to the individual, it's also a huge boost to the workforce and to medical costs. So whether it's giving (a very select group of) psychologists the opportunity to pursue prescriptive privileges, or doing anything possible to make psychiatry a much more attractive path for physicians, I'm for it.

But I'll also add that psychiatric meds are often too readily prescribed (by psychiatrists and especially by general physicians). I'm all about having prescribers who understand and value the effectiveness of psychotherapy for many mental health issues (especially ADHD, anxiety disorders and more mild to moderate mood disorders), whether psychotherapy alone or in combination with medication. Whether that's the (somewhat rare) psychiatrist who also provides therapy (or at least highly recommends therapy), or a psychologist with much additional training/education who can provide therapy and prescribe (and I agree - it should be limited medications for only certain limited diagnoses).

Sorry, somehow missed this. Agree for the most part. Certainly increased MH care in general being good for individuals and for society.

Maybe things are different where I practice or from my perspective, but while I could see it potentially increasing access to allow a select number of psychologists with extra training to prescribe, it just seems like there are so many other bigger factors limiting access. The shortage of Psychiatrists nationally is dramatic. The poor insurance coverage outside of the best Blue Cross plans is extremely limiting. I have to think that even if Psychologists were given more opportunity to prescribe, they would not be picking up the slack with the minimum wage paying Medicaid plans or awful HMOs. Sure, it could help a bit. I just don't think it would be a very large impact. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

Also, I personally value greatly the importance of psychotherapy. My wife, a Family Practice physician, who majored in Psychology does as well! Most (not all) of my colleagues do, also. The ones who like getting to know the patient definitely value therapy. If nothing else, the ones who aren't so good at talking to the patients are thrilled to unload that part of the patient care on a therapist. I am routinely 'accused' of doing psychotherapy even though I see patients for 25 minute visits. I guess even though it's not an hour, it's more than 5-10 minutes, and I do try to get to know the patient as a person, and guide them where I can. I routinely refer for therapy when they need more than I can provide. I want to refer way more often. My wife would love to also.

Why don't we refer more often? Financial and insurance constraints. None of the good therapists I know accept Medicare. None of them take HMOs. Same reason that most Psychiatrists don't. Most of the self pay patients can't afford therapy out of pocket. Not many people can afford to see a therapist for an hour more than once per month. It's cheaper to see a PCP or Psychiatrist because insurance offsets the cost. And they see us once every several months for 10-25 minutes. I'm not saying therapy isn't worth the price, I genuinely believe that it is ... I just don't think many people can afford it because of the financial and time setup.

In the VA, all the therapists are overloaded and end up seeing everyone once per month or less. Better than nothing, but not that much more than seeing me. And is that even therapy any more?

As I write this, I guess I'm not as against the idea of Psychologists prescribing to a limited extent as I thought, other than the turf thing. I just don't think it'll help that much in the areas where people want it to help.
 

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