The Walking Dead

[natedagg]

Yeah I watched that shit and I liked it.

I don’t know how to do the hidden spoiler thing on my phone so I will wait a few days then jump in. Not like anyone else is watching anyway.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Yeah I watched that shit and I liked it.

I don’t know how to do the hidden spoiler thing on my phone so I will wait a few days then jump in. Not like anyone else is watching anyway.

I thought it was pretty good as well. I still am bugged by the weirdness of Negan still being alive, but the show is better than it has been the past few seasons.

The whole Whisperers thing still doesn't make sense to me, simply because growing/gathering enough food, wood, water, etc., should be a full-time job at this point. The incredible waste of time it would be to wander around with a bunch of zombies, walking slowly, etc., just seems immensely impractical.

Of course, growing enough food for all the people living inside the walls of the Hilltop should require a fuck of a lot more ground than they have inside the walls, so I guess the whole "sustenance" thing gets kind of stretched anyway.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I thought it was pretty good as well. I still am bugged by the weirdness of Negan still being alive, but the show is better than it has been the past few seasons.

The whole Whisperers thing still doesn't make sense to me, simply because growing/gathering enough food, wood, water, etc., should be a full-time job at this point. The incredible waste of time it would be to wander around with a bunch of zombies, walking slowly, etc., just seems immensely impractical.

Of course, growing enough food for all the people living inside the walls of the Hilltop should require a fuck of a lot more ground than they have inside the walls, so I guess the whole "sustenance" thing gets kind of stretched anyway.

Yeah, I don't know if the comics ever addressed how the whisperers actually stay alive. Never really thought about it but you're right that it doesn't make a ton of sense.

As for Negan living, Rick's explanation of trying to create a better world never made much sense to me considering how many people he'd murdered in cold blood to that point in the comics. Why draw the line with Negan, arguably the worst person they'd met to that point? It does result in Negan sticking around and having a nice arc, though, so whatever.

 

[Scholar]

I think they survive by overrunning other people, and then stealing from them. They tend to be a rather unfriendly lot. Also, Negan is still alive in the comics.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think they survive by overrunning other people, and then stealing from them. They tend to be a rather unfriendly lot. Also, Negan is still alive in the comics.

But aren't we supposed to be 8 or so years into the zombie apocalypse by this point? By that time, scavenging for food would be pretty much a dead end, and any groups of survivors likely wouldn't have huge stockpiles of food to be raided -- they'd be living pretty much hand to mouth for much of the year.

Also, it's hard to overrun someone when you're limited to a zombie slow walk. Seems like fleeing from them would be a pretty viable option. And if the zombie horde tramples the crops, that wouldn't seem to help the Whisperers very much.

I mean, I get that it's a fictional plot device that we're supposed to overlook. It's just that the show itself made growing food, etc., a key plot element, and emphasized how difficult it was. So to have the Whisperers trying to survive while walking everywhere at a slow zombie shuffle doesn't make much sense even in the world of the Walking Dead.

I know Negan is still alive in the comics. It just doesn't make much sense to spare that one potentially very dangerous guy after you had no problem killing so many others. Again, I get it -- plot device. I can actually accept that one better than a group of people who managed to stay alive while shuffling like zombies for a bunch of the time.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I know Negan is still alive in the comics. It just doesn't make much sense to spare that one potentially very dangerous guy after you had no problem killing so many others. Again, I get it -- plot device. I can actually accept that one better than a group of people who managed to stay alive while shuffling like zombies for a bunch of the time.

Well, my point was that sparing him in the comics didn't really make any functional sense either. It just worked because Negan's arc afterwards is great. The show will probably fuck that up, because that's what the show does.

 

[natedagg]

But aren't we supposed to be 8 or so years into the zombie apocalypse by this point? By that time, scavenging for food would be pretty much a dead end, and any groups of survivors likely wouldn't have huge stockpiles of food to be raided -- they'd be living pretty much hand to mouth for much of the year.

Also, it's hard to overrun someone when you're limited to a zombie slow walk. Seems like fleeing from them would be a pretty viable option. And if the zombie horde tramples the crops, that wouldn't seem to help the Whisperers very much.

I mean, I get that it's a fictional plot device that we're supposed to overlook. It's just that the show itself made growing food, etc., a key plot element, and emphasized how difficult it was. So to have the Whisperers trying to survive while walking everywhere at a slow zombie shuffle doesn't make much sense even in the world of the Walking Dead.

I know Negan is still alive in the comics. It just doesn't make much sense to spare that one potentially very dangerous guy after you had no problem killing so many others. Again, I get it -- plot device. I can actually accept that one better than a group of people who managed to stay alive while shuffling like zombies for a bunch of the time.

I don’t consider the whisperers’ food situation to be a plot hole at all. There’s too many plausible explanations that could exist: they figured their scheme out early and got all of the canned food, they can go house to house and take shit in suburbs or cities, they can have a base where they grow food, etc. Good enough for me.

As far as Negan being alive, thank goodness. We have to have something to look forward to here! I would hate to be following around bitter beer face Michone, or some idiot do-gooder. Now we can get to Negan v Maggie v whisperers.

And with the whisperers, the zombies are actually scary again! No more slow, decaying, walking dead inconveniences. Now you never know who is out there looking at you, studying your ways, plotting. You go toward one and he moves away, or like Jesus got done, the dreaded counter slice. Zombie engagement has never been more risky. Love it.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don’t consider the whisperers’ food situation to be a plot hole at all. There’s too many plausible explanations that could exist: they figured their scheme out early and got all of the canned food, they can go house to house and take shit in suburbs or cities, they can have a base where they grow food, etc. Good enough for me.

Canned food has a shelf life, though. If we're five or six years after the apocalypse started, most of that shit is bad by now.

 

[natedagg]

Canned food has a shelf life, though. If we're five or six years after the apocalypse started, most of that shit is bad by now.

Canned food can last much longer than the expiration date. https://www.primalsurvivor.net/canned-food-shelf-life/

I refuse to believe you because I refuse to disavow the fundamentals of science.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Holy hell, that was unexpectedly and painfully bad. I just want that annoying kid and that girl to die horrible deaths quickly. Pretty apparent that won't happen, though.

There was far too much posturing/moralizing/lecturing/emoting in this episode all around. I actually fast forwarded through chunks.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don’t consider the whisperers’ food situation to be a plot hole at all. There’s too many plausible explanations that could exist: they figured their scheme out early and got all of the canned food, they can go house to house and take shit in suburbs or cities, they can have a base where they grow food, etc. Good enough for me.

Virtually all of the canned food would have been gone in the first month. Most cities and areas have less than two week's supply without deliveries. In major cities, it's less than a week's. In fact, it would have been the loss of food shipments that would have caused things to break down.

Whatver small caches would have made it past the first month or two would amount to a rare can here or there.

Even if not....Figure 3 cans of food (mostly very low calorie canned vegetables so 3 cans is probably very low) per person, per day. That's more than 1000 cans per person, per year. 8000 cans since the apocalypse began kust to feed one person.

You'd have to grow/gather/hunt 95% of it before the first two years. And the Whisperers can't do the growing because they're supposedly on the move.

 

[natedagg]

Virtually all of the canned food would have been gone in the first month. Most cities and areas have less than two week's supply without deliveries. In major cities, it's less than a week's. In fact, it would have been the loss of food shipments that would have caused things to break down.

Whatver small caches would have made it past the first month or two would amount to a rare can here or there.

Even if not....Figure 3 cans of food (mostly very low calorie canned vegetables so 3 cans is probably very low) per person, per day. That's more than 1000 cans per person, per year. 8000 cans since the apocalypse began kust to feed one person.

You'd have to grow/gather/hunt 95% of it before the first two years. And the Whisperers can't do the growing because they're supposedly on the move.

You dumb fucks were worrying about canned food, writing dissertations, and these freaks eat bugs.

Bottom line is you are watching a zombie show and trying to have a logical debate about canned food. Sad!

Tonight was good not great. This season is amazing. Can’t relax. How it should be.

Really want the virgin kid to die. Way too do-gooder. Fuck that kid. He needs 0 camera time.

But the groundwork is set fireworks. The directors really need to nail this and not drag it out. The whisper queen looked fantastically diabolical.

No Negan tonight. I don’t read the comics but suspect he comes in to level the playing field against the whisperers.

Really just pleased w where this is going. In writing it out, it really wasn’t anything special tonight at all, but the foundation is there for this season to provide some much needed redemption.

 

[Stark]

Holy hell, that was unexpectedly and painfully bad. I just want that annoying kid and that girl to die horrible deaths quickly. Pretty apparent that won't happen, though.

There was far too much posturing/moralizing/lecturing/emoting in this episode all around. I actually fast forwarded through chunks.

Henry sucks. Hope he bites it in the fight with the whisperers but I doubt it'll happen. Lydia is actually interesting and needs a bit more time to get fleshed out in the show.

In the comics, it's Carl and Lydia having these interactions and it's 150% better. Biggest mistake the show has made killing Carl off, especially with Rick gone now. Judith is cool, but she's a bit too fanservicey for me.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Henry sucks. Hope he bites it in the fight with the whisperers but I doubt it'll happen. Lydia is actually interesting and needs a bit more time to get fleshed out in the show.

In the comics, it's Carl and Lydia having these interactions and it's 150% better. Biggest mistake the show has made killing Carl off, especially with Rick gone now. Judith is cool, but she's a bit too fanservicey for me.

As much as people thought the actor who played Carl sucked, he was Daniel Day-Lewis compared to this kid.

 

[The Oi]

This fuckin thing is still on?

I keep seeing this thread getting bumped assuming there’s a movie coming out or something