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Three-Way ORL Trade Rumor

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What do you think of the prospective trade (as outlined by Wojo/Yahoo)?

  • A - Excellent. Make it happen!

    Votes: 58 19.7%
  • B - Good. Hope it works out.

    Votes: 129 43.7%
  • C - Okay. Meh, mixed feelings.

    Votes: 84 28.5%
  • D - Bad. Hope it falls apart.

    Votes: 19 6.4%
  • F - Just turrible.

    Votes: 5 1.7%

  • Total voters
    295
  • Poll closed .
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Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

No the big dollars are now or never for Dwight. Which highlights the stupidity of trying to bull your way to Brooklyn. Tis has the look of the lakers attempt to nab Paul last year, except the Magic are self policing. It was just a really shitty deal for Orlando from a team that does not have the assets to make it work.

Paul wound up on the clippers, the question is where does Dwight wind up. I think his best situation is LA, but I having a hard time seeing where the Lakers get the assets. Is Dwight willing to play in Atlanta?

Looking at the field, Houston and Charlotte have the best 2013 picks in the house, but Denver has the new York first and could play a role. However, Chicago could be a dark horse in this race. They have Charlottes 2013 first rounder which will certainly be a top ten pick. They have some assets they could move for picks as well. Gibson, Deng and Noah are pretty good players that might net something in the deal.

That Charlotte pick is very protected.

2013 first round draft pick to Chicago
Charlotte's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-12 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Charlotte - Chicago, 2/18/2010]



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed#ixzz20N1LzGv9

Not getting the pick until 2016.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

That Charlotte pick is very protected.

2013 first round draft pick to Chicago
Charlotte's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-12 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Charlotte - Chicago, 2/18/2010]



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed#ixzz20N1LzGv9

Not getting the pick until 2016.

True that, but it is not as protected as the Sactown pick, and Chicago has better player assets and market presence. Hard to see where Howard winds up in a place he is satisfied with. Knicks suck, Nets can't get it done, Lakers have no picks, Clippers have no picks. So what Marquis cities are left. Dallas, Chicago.. Maybe. Will be interesting.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

Isn't the real problem the increased media attention? Thanks to the internet, Twitter, ESPN, and the like, we now have a 24-hour news cycle where the same stories get played over and over again.

Dwight is probably still a waffler, but thanks to Twitter, reporters are sharing EVERY useless piece of information they can get their hands on. "Dwight wants to go to Brooklyn? TWEET IT AND WRITE THE STORY!" "The Magic are exploring trade opportunities? TELL PEOPLE A DEAL IS GOING DOWN!" "The Cavs have inquired about potentially landing assets in a proposed deal? "TELL THE WORLD THEY ARE 100% IN ON A TRADE!"

Nailed it. I work on the entertainment side of the street, and it's been fascinating to watch how reporting has gone from "'x actor' has signed" to "'x actor' is circling". No one wants to get out-scooped, so they run with the story the minute agents and producers start talking. Usually, the deal is close to getting consummated, but sometimes it falls apart, and then people look silly.

But the "beauty" of the twenty-four-hour news cycle is that no one remembers the noise. You can report "interest" and "negotiations", and generally no one will remember in a year's time. At some point, Howard's narrative will be "he left Orlando to win a championship" instead of "he bullied his way out of an undesirable market" because no one outside of die-hard Magic fans will remember the bullshit. As a Cavs fan living in California, I frequently get in arguments about LeBron, because all people know/remember is that he "couldn't" win a title in Cleveland. People follow the narrative, not the minutiae. So go ahead and fill the information void with everything agents and GMs feed you; ninety-eight percent of your audience won't retain it. ESPN will shape the narrative, and you'll sound like a crazed fan for dredging up details of deals that never happened.

But the journalists covering the story will never be able to say they failed to follow the story. They passed along every rumor agents and GMs fed them. This is the way reporters keep their jobs. And we enable this process by hanging on every tweet as if the future of our team depends on it. Because it does. Just don't expect anyone outside of Ckeveland or Orlando to care once the narrative has barreled along.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Look who the @<a href="https://twitter.com/Houstonrockets">Houstonrockets</a> are now following. (via @<a href="https://twitter.com/Malean_G">Malean_G</a>) <a href="http://t.co/VHBzuvUS" title="http://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/223597373442621440/photo/1">twitter.com/MySportsLegion…</a></p>&mdash; Legion Sports (@MySportsLegion) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/223597373442621440" data-datetime="2012-07-13T01:59:04+00:00">July 13, 2012</a></blockquote>
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The Rockets just started following Chris Duhon, Jason Richardson, Big Baby, and Dwight

Odd
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>As @<a href="https://twitter.com/EricPincus">EricPincus</a> pointed out, the Rockets' official Twitter account just followed Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson, Glen Davis and Chris Duhon.</p>&mdash; Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/223596430210768897" data-datetime="2012-07-13T01:55:17+00:00">July 13, 2012</a></blockquote>
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That's interesting. Do we have an end to this madness, at least for now?
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

Gee whiz...after my little mini-banning it appears that alot of the stuff I was saying (and being called an idiot for) came to fruition.

Bottom line, the whole Humphries deal made no sense for the Cavs - it wasn't "something for nothing" as everyone else seemed to think, and adding ONE crummy late first-round pick was nowhere near enough for the Cavs to have to take on Humphries (he wasn't signing a contract guaranteed for only 1 year...no one does), overpay for Sundiata Gaines, and throw in Luke Walton's expiring contract to boot - which...like it or not, has some value for the Cavs going forward this season if they so choose to use it...and if they don't, it's free agent space for next offseason, instead of wasted salary moving forward on Kim Kardashian's former beau.

I apologize for the other stuff where I got carried away...but I was right on this.;)
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...e-proposal-orlando-magic-center-dwight-howard

Sources: New trade offer in works
By Marc Stein and Chad Ford
ESPN.com

The Houston Rockets have reconstructed their trade proposal to the Orlando Magic for superstar center Dwight Howard, vowing to take back even more long-term salary from the Magic than before in hopes of convincing Orlando to consent to trade Howard directly to Houston, according to sources briefed on the trade talks.
Sources told ESPN.com that the Rockets, should they go ahead with their widely reported plans to release starting power forward Luis Scola via the NBA's amnesty clause, are prepared to absorb the contracts of Jason Richardson, Glen Davis and Chris Duhon -- in addition to sending Orlando multiple future first-round picks and recent draftees -- to give the Magic an opportunity to wipe their payroll virtually clean for their post-Howard rebuilding effort.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is feverishly trying to construct a trade that will allow the Rockets to take back, in addition to Howard, some combination of Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Hedo Turkoglu. The Rockets believe that, with Scola's three remaining seasons valued at roughly $21 million off the books, that they can create the requisite cap space to do so.
Friday thus looms as a pivotal day in the Rockets' all-out quest to trade for Howard. Not only is Houston expected to formally waive Scola on Friday, but sources say that the Rockets will also finalize their long-awaited offer sheet to New York Knicks restricted free agent Jeremy Lin. The Knicks have been adamant that they will match Houston's four-year offer to Lin valued at just under $29 million, but they can take three days to do so once Lin signs.
The Rockets have also committed a four-year offer sheet worth just over $25 million to Chicago Bulls restricted free agent Omer Asik. It's believed that the Rockets will make Asik's offer sheet official after the Knicks match on Lin, but Asik's fate is less certain, with the Bulls said to be wavering on whether to bring the bruising big man back. The Rockets promised offer sheets to Asik and Lin early in free agency -- and are thus honor-bound to go through with them to ensure that they'll suffer no future repercussions from agents or players in free agency -- but it's possible that Houston is secretly rooting for both offer sheets to be matched. In that scenario, Houston would only be left with more cap space to try to get the Orlando trade done, which is clearly its No. 1 priority.


Rockets officials, though, remain steadfast in their belief that, even if the Bulls decline to match on Asik, that they'll be able to absorb at least three of the four aforementioned Magic role players: Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Turkoglu. Sources say that the Rockets would have to send Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons to the Magic from their current roster to make the salary-cap math work, as well the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones, all selected in last month's first round.
The Rockets, in addition, would also have to waive a handful of players with non-guaranteed contracts (Shaun Livingston, Courtney Fortson, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, Jon Leuer, Diamon Simpson and Greg Smith) to clear sufficient cap space. But Houston, sources say, is also offering multiple first-round picks to the Magic, including a potential lottery pick acquired this week from Toronto in the Kyle Lowry deal. Future picks are known to hold great appeal to new Magic general manager Rob Hennigan and no team in the recent running for Howard -- Brooklyn and the Los Angeles Lakers are the other two top suitors -- has a first-rounder of that caliber to send to Orlando.

Yet sources with knowledge of Orlando's thinking told ESPN's Ric Bucher and ESPN.com's J.A. Adande on Thursday night that the Magic expect a quiet weekend on the Howard front and likely won't revisit the prospect of trading Howard until next week. Of course, such a delay might well be tied to the fact that Houston has to let its dealings with Lin and Asik play out first.
ESPN reported Thursday that Hennigan called the All-Star center Wednesday night to see if he'd reconsider giving Orlando's new regime a chance to keep him, but a source close to Howard told Bucher that the All-Star center was unwilling to change his stance.
The Nets, who remain the only team that Howard has said he'll sign a contract extension with, finally backed away from their months-long pursuit of Howard on Wednesday to sign center Brook Lopez -- one of their key trade chips for any Howard deal -- to a four-year deal valued at slightly more than $60 million. The Nets can't re-enter the Howard Sweepstakes, assuming they last that long, until Jan. 15, when Lopez is eligible to be traded.
The Rockets, meanwhile, continue to ignore the strong signals that Howard refuses to commit to Houston long-term and will threaten instead to just play out next season and head to free agency in July 2013 if Morey does manage to complete a trade for him. The Los Angeles Lakers remain interested in a Howard deal as well, but the Lakers don't have the available future draft picks or the financial flexibility to take on Orlando's unwanted contracts like the Rockets do, meaning that L.A. would almost certainly need an additional team or two to join the trade to get it pushed through.
The Rockets have been discussing a multitude of trade scenarios with the Magic this month, offering to serve both as the team that would acquire Howard in a direct trade between the clubs and also as a third team that would participate in a trade that lands Howard with the Lakers and brings Bynum to Houston.
Now, though, Houston appears to be lasered in on getting Howard at all costs, which would potentially fill their void in the middle since the early injury-forced retirement of Yao Ming in 2011. If Howard could be convinced to stay in Houston after such a swap, it would also more than atone from the collapsed three-way deal with the New Orleans Hornets and Lakers in December that would have landed Pau Gasol in Houston if NBA commissioner David Stern, acting as the lead decision-maker for the league-owned Hornets, hadn't cancel the trade.
It's been an open secret around the league for months that the Rockets were willing to trade for a player of Howard's or Bynum's caliber with no assurance that either one will sign an extension as opposed to becoming a free agent in 2013. Houston's posture, sources said, remains one of confidence that any top-20 player it can acquire will be convinced to stay once he becomes part of the organization.
Sources say that Hennigan, meanwhile, would be more comfortable with taking back a package of youngsters, recent draftees and future first-round draft picks -- while shedding all that long-term salary as well -- than taking on All-Star center Andrew Bynum as Howard's replacement. Although Bynum is the best individual player Orlando has been offered this month, he's also entering the final year of his contract like Howard, which means that the Magic would be in a similar position as they are now with Howard if they traded Bynum and Bynum refused to sign an extension.
Bucher reported Wednesday that the Atlanta Hawks continue to pursue Howard via trade as well, but one source described Atlanta as "not the best option" for the Magic.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

so in summary:
Amnesty: Scola
Cut: Shaun Livingston, Courtney Fortson, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, Jon Leuer, Diamon Simpson and Greg Smith

Trade out: Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons, the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White, Terrance Jones, Draft pick obtained from Toronto plus future draft pick(s)

Trade In: Howard, Richardson, Big Baby, Turkoglu, Chris Duhon

Remaining Hou Roster: Toney Douglas, Dotas Montiejunas, John Brockmon, Gary Forbes, Furkan Aldemire (Euro-Stash guy)

Hou Free Agents: Courtney Lee (rescinded qualifying offer and is UFA)

Holy Hell
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

so in summary:
Amnesty: Scola
Cut: Shaun Livingston, Courtney Fortson, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, Jon Leuer, Diamon Simpson and Greg Smith

Trade out: Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons, the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White, Terrance Jones, Draft pick obtained from Toronto plus future draft pick(s)

Trade In: Howard, Richardson, Big Baby, Turkoglu, Chris Duhon

Remaining Hou Roster: Toney Douglas, Dotas Montiejunas, John Brockmon, Gary Forbes, Furkan Aldemire (Euro-Stash guy)

Hou Free Agents: Courtney Lee (rescinded qualifying offer and is UFA)

Holy Hell

Explain to me why this lineup would be so much better than this past season's Orlando line-up? Playoff caliber, but not a high seed, and sure, Howard MIGHT be a bit more motivated... but then again, maybe not since he didn't go to Brooklyn or LA......
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

so in summary:
Amnesty: Scola
Cut: Shaun Livingston, Courtney Fortson, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, Jon Leuer, Diamon Simpson and Greg Smith

Trade out: Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons, the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White, Terrance Jones, Draft pick obtained from Toronto plus future draft pick(s)

Trade In: Howard, Richardson, Big Baby, Turkoglu, Chris Duhon

Remaining Hou Roster: Toney Douglas, Dotas Montiejunas, John Brockmon, Gary Forbes, Furkan Aldemire (Euro-Stash guy)

Hou Free Agents: Courtney Lee (rescinded qualifying offer and is UFA)

Holy Hell

That is simply crazy- Houston is essentially changing their entire roster and future draft picks for Howard/Richardson/Turkoglu/Big Baby/Duhon. I've never seen anything like it. Bottom line though is they won't be much better than the 2011-12 Magic as MikeOC33 pointed out. But at least they will have Howard.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

But will he be a motivated Howard? And this just might be me, but I don't see Dwight Howard as some sort of mega draw like Kobe or Durrant or James. Sure, there might be a surge in season ticket sales... but with that roster.... I dunno.... its not like he's the 2nd coming of Olajuwon or something.....
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

Houston is fucking stupid.

Their 3 first round draft choices from this past draft is a nice young core to build with. They're willing to trade their entire team and relocate the mediocre Magic team to Houston? Dwight is gon' be pissed! He's trying to LEAVE that team, not move WITH them. I hope Houston is joking. I'd be so angry if I was a Rockets fan.
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

so in summary:
Amnesty: Scola
Cut: Shaun Livingston, Courtney Fortson, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, Jon Leuer, Diamon Simpson and Greg Smith

Trade out: Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons, the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White, Terrance Jones, Draft pick obtained from Toronto plus future draft pick(s)

Trade In: Howard, Richardson, Big Baby, Turkoglu, Chris Duhon

Remaining Hou Roster: Toney Douglas, Dotas Montiejunas, John Brockmon, Gary Forbes, Furkan Aldemire (Euro-Stash guy)

Hou Free Agents: Courtney Lee (rescinded qualifying offer and is UFA)

Holy Hell

If they cut Jon Leuer Cavs should jump on a chance to sign him, nice mix of skills for a big.

Also

Houston is crazy to not try and keep at least one of the new rookies... I would hope they would try and keep one of Lamb or T. Jones or else they are crazy
 
Re: Three-Way ORL/Nets Trade Rumor - Nets + Cavs pull out!

If they cut Jon Leuer Cavs should jump on a chance to sign him, nice mix of skills for a big.

Also

Houston is crazy to not try and keep at least one of the new rookies... I would hope they would try and keep one of Lamb or T. Jones or else they are crazy

That Houston team after the trade would be worse than last years orlando team. Plus playing in the tougher western conference.... They might not make the playoffs if Dwights back isnt healthy....and they've mortgaged their entire future
 
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