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Time for a Rudy Gay safari?

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The three team swap of Gay-Rubio-Shumpert works. I think it really hinges on whether Minny would be happy with Shumpert and Osman. They tend to overvalue their players, but Thibs likes his defense/hustle guys so it could be enough. Kings are so wildly disfunctional, I don't know what they expect to get back from a Rudy Gay rental.

The Kings seem to be wanting Ricky Rubio; but I don't think the Wolves want Rudy Gay.

They're not going to bench one of their young guys to start Rudy Gay, and Gay won't stick around to come off the bench on a non-contending team, surely.. So... there's really no place for him on the team.
 
All of this....

Minny wants Shumpert
Kings want a PG
Cavs want a wing...

Makes all the sense in the world.

Do we know through reports that Minny wants Shump? Salary wise, a three team deal where Gay comes here, Shump and Liggins head to Minnesota and Rubio goes to Sacramento would work. The Cavs may have to send Osman's rights to Sacramento to sweeten the deal.
 
What the hell does that have to do with Shump
He still hustles, his defense just hasn't been there for us the last month or so. Don't know why. Our team defense sucks right now, so that could be playing into it. But he has a reputation as a defender, so that could be enough for Thibs.
 
Do we know through reports that Minny wants Shump?

AFAIK, Yes.

Salary wise, a three team deal where Gay comes here, Shump and Liggins head to Minnesota and Rubio goes to Sacramento would work. The Cavs may have to send Osman's rights to Sacramento to sweeten the deal.

It sure does. ;)
 
http://www.twincities.com/2016/10/21/report-timberwolves-inquired-about-cavs-iman-shumpert/

I think Rubio for Gay works for Sacramento. I think you'd have to give Minny Osman if anything.

So all the Wolves want is a serviceable guard who will most likely bounce between their starting lineup and their bench?

Someone who can play the point sparingly and is not necessarily a point guard?

That sounds a hell of a lot like Iman Shumpert.

Cavs in:

Gay
Lawson

Kings in:

Rubio
Mohammed
Cavs 2nd round pick

Wolves in:

Shumpert
Rights to Osman

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It works salary wise (according to RealGM)....just not sure the Kings get enough out of it. The Kings already have a few PGs....do they really want Rubio that much to get rid of Gay and others? Does Cedi go to Sacramento and a pick to the Wolves?
 
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It works salary wise....just not sure the Kings get enough out of it. The Kings already have a few PGs....do they really want Rubio that much to get rid of Gay and others? Does Cedi go to Sacramento and a pick to the Wolves?
I feel like I've been beating a dead horse regarding Rudy Gay's trade value on this site for years now. Rubio, or Shump, would easily be the best player Rudy Gay has ever been traded for. We have two previous trades of precedent here. Quite frankly, Sacramento can't expect anything better for a 6 month rental of Rudy Gay. It's always possible another team could offer more, but if that is the best deal on the table Sacramento would be stupid to turn it down. So...they would probably turn it down, miss the playoffs, and lose Gay in 3 months :chuckle:
 
It works salary wise (according to RealGM)....just not sure the Kings get enough out of it. The Kings already have a few PGs....do they really want Rubio that much to get rid of Gay and others? Does Cedi go to Sacramento and a pick to the Wolves?

Kings don't really have a PG that they have confidence in, hence Woj's reporting that they want Ricky Rubio.

Gay has informed Sacramento that he is leaving in the offseason.

They have one month to act on his contract, or else they lose him for nothing, and no team will trade for a Rudy Gay rental unless they think it would (1) legit put them over the top in one of the conferences, or (2) they had a very good chance at retaining him in the offseason.

IMHO, it is only because of the confluence of all of these odd situations, coupled with the likelihood that the Wolves still want Iman Shumpert, that the Cavs have a remote shot at pulling off a trade.

Even with that said, I think OKC and a few other teams can beat the Cavs to the punch... but, we'll see.
 
Kings don't really have a PG that they have confidence in, hence Woj's reporting that they want Ricky Rubio.

Gay has informed Sacramento that he is leaving in the offseason.

They have one month to act on his contract, or else they lose him for nothing, and no team will trade for a Rudy Gay rental unless they think it would (1) legit put them over the top in one of the conferences, or (2) they had a very good chance at retaining him in the offseason.

IMHO, it is only because of the confluence of all of these odd situations, coupled with the likelihood that the Wolves still want Iman Shumpert, that the Cavs have a remote shot at pulling off a trade.

Even with that said, I think OKC and a few other teams can beat the Cavs to the punch... but, we'll see.
I think this is very possible. Depending on how soon the Cavs want this done, though, I'm not sure they will be able to get it for just Shumpert. My bet is it will take Osman, Shump, and McRae (who I actually think may have some value for Minny's putrid bench scoring unit) to get them to move Rubio, who in turn would net the Cavs Gay.

Now, if the Cavs are willing to wait, who knows. We may be able to get this done without moving Osman because, as @Rob said, Rudy Gay has never been traded for this much.
 
Looking at our competition to acquire him, it should either be from contenders or fringe contenders and playoff teams. No lower team is giving up assets to pay Rudy Gay, just not happening. And the majority of contenders won't/can't give up a major piece to acquire him. This is who I would guess might be interested: Clippers, Rockets, Jazz, and Thunder, maybe Wizards, Pacers, or Blazers. And a couple of these teams are a stretch but I'll explain why.

I ruled out Celtics. I don't think they are looking to waste any assets on Rudy Gay. Raptors and Grizz he has both played for, so I doubt they want him back. Hornets, Bucks, and Pistons are fringe, but they each have their SF spot covered and paid or will pay their guys from Batum, Tobias Harris, and Giannis and Parker respectively. Bulls don't really have the assets unless the Kings love Taj, but then Gay would have to start at PF or something would be unconventional in that lineup if they are willing.

Pacers have George and Young already, but if they want to make a playoff push they could be interested and maybe move George to SG and put Gay at SF. They have Ellis, Teague, Miles, and Stuckey that are likely assets. Kings could be interested in something there but I don't know if either side is interested.

Wizards
have a solid record and could possibly use Gay, they have Porter Jr., Oubre Jr., and Burke as possible assets. The question is who they would be willing to give up and if the Kings want it. They might rather hold on to those young players.

Blazers
have Crabbe and Turner locked up long term at 16-19 mil already. And Harkless and Aminu at 7-9 mil. So if Kings are interested in something there, maybe a possibility but Blazers clearly have forwards locked down so they may not even be interested. And they would likely have to try to offload Turner which could be difficult if Kings don't want him. Blazers need a big man more than anything.

Rockets, I doubt they want to give up Ariza or Gordon. So the offer would likely be Brewer and Beverley if they were interested. Not sure if they are interested or if they would do that trade.

OKC can really only trade Kanter for Gay moneywise, and I'm not sure they would or if Kings would be interested considering they have Cousins, but that is an option.

Jazz have Hayward and Joe Johnson, but Burks, Mack, Hood, and Lyles as assets they might be possibly willing to give up in a trade. I don't know if Rudy Gay is that guy but they are making a playoff push.

Clippers clearly need a SF. Would a trade offer around Austin Rivers be appealing? Maybe.

I don't think it is stronger than what we can offer. Basically most of these teams can't give great offers, and if they can, I'm not sure they would want to do it or not or how interested they actually are in him. Three team trade possibilities still exist though as we know. I would guess the two most serious teams that want him would be Thunder and Clippers, but maybe a dark horse team will appear.

I think we would have a great shot because I don't know how many of these teams would actually want him, be willing to give up assets, and pay to retain him. We are in a position that we are willing to give up the right assets and even risk a rental.
 
Too soon?

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Cavs in:

Gay
Lawson

Kings in:

Rubio
Mohammed
Cavs 2nd round pick

Wolves in:

Shumpert
Rights to Osman

--------------------------------

It works salary wise (according to RealGM)....just not sure the Kings get enough out of it. The Kings already have a few PGs....do they really want Rubio that much to get rid of Gay and others? Does Cedi go to Sacramento and a pick to the Wolves?
Real GM is off a little.

We can absorb Lawson with a trade exception, but Shumpert for Gay doesn't work. Need to add a salary like McRae or Birdman, then it should work as 2 deals, but should work.

Trade #1 Ty Lawson to Cavs for 2nd round pick

Trade #2 Shump, Birdman, Cedi to Minnesota
Gay to Cavs
Rubio and Shabazz to Kings
 
Cavs in:

Gay
Lawson

Kings in:

Rubio
Mohammed
Cavs 2nd round pick

Wolves in:

Shumpert
Rights to Osman

--------------------------------

It works salary wise (according to RealGM)....just not sure the Kings get enough out of it. The Kings already have a few PGs....do they really want Rubio that much to get rid of Gay and others? Does Cedi go to Sacramento and a pick to the Wolves?

Honestly, I think it's sort of the Wolves who get too little. Rubio is still a young player on a decent contract with two elite skills (passing and defense). The shots been broken for awhile, but he's still better than Shumpert all around.

Of course, this does fix a log-jam for them, and Shump is a cheaper piece on a good contract as well. Also Osman is a good fit for their long term goals.

It doesn't seem like a totally unreasonable trade -- OTOH getting three teams to agree to a big trade is always hard.
 
Honestly, I think it's sort of the Wolves who get too little. Rubio is still a young player on a decent contract with two elite skills (passing and defense). The shots been broken for awhile, but he's still better than Shumpert all around.

Of course, this does fix a log-jam for them, and Shump is a cheaper piece on a good contract as well. Also Osman is a good fit for their long term goals.

It doesn't seem like a totally unreasonable trade -- OTOH getting three teams to agree to a big trade is always hard.

imo Minnesota announcing Rubio is available is saying their relation is over. Rubio's in a Jeff Teague/Dennis Schroder situation and it looks like Minnesota is choosing the Schroder in Dunn. If that's the case, Minnesota wants puzzle pieces instead of best player available. Shump fits their description.
 

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