Trade Rumor(s)

[bboy]

If I were the Lakers I'd wait it out ...keep my players and just sign him next year...theres no rush...NY made that mistake with Melo when it was clear he was going there anyway

 

[Hydroponic3385]

Any one of their cheap young players and/or lottery pick this year.

Paul George: "I prefer to play in LA"

Cavs fans: "WE GOT HIM NOW BOYS!"

This has been a remarkable day on this board.

Sandusky, Broussard, Woj, Windy - all of these people have mentioned rumblings of a PG13 trade, and many said the Cavs are a possible destination. Then just a bit ago McMenamin said that the Pacers were the ones who reached out. Now as of right now I'm still not at all confident that PG13 ends up a Cavalier, but my god man STFU already. These fans just lost the finals to a historic team and they want something exciting to post about, and there's not much else to post about for the Cavs other than trade speculation (next season seems forever away, we have no cap space, we have no 2017 picks).

 

[inliner311]

Walks where? He just fucking said that's where he wants to play.

I think today is an incredible example of a fan base turning bad news into good news. Paul George had one way here, and even then it was a long shot. By him saying he prefers the Lakers, he gave Indiana another option.

Somehow, someway, this has turned into a good thing here. I'm dumbfounded.

Im looking at this from the Lakers perspective and how they got Dwight Howard in the same way. If they get PG13 they go into win mode right now. They have to shed two of the worse contracts in the NBA in Deng and Mozgov, what assets will it take to get those off the books. Indy isn't taking either of those contracts back. Look at their contracts. Is the trade going to be Jordan Clarkson, Corey Brewer, and the 28th pick in this year's draft? Lakers don't have a 2018 1st round pick. I doubt they would give up the #2 draft pick in this year's.

I think it's a long shot at getting PG13 on the Cavs but if you put together a package of TT, Shump, RJ, and Cedi for PG13, Lance, and Al Jefferson. It let's Indy go into free agency this year. RJ most likely retired, they move Shump somewhere else. Possibly move TT too.

 

[inliner311]

Yea, of course I would. But I also think if we manage to get George for that, it's abundantly clear it's because the Lakers believe, no matter what, he'll leave next summer and go there.

How many times have we heard players wanted to go to the Lakers because they grew up in LA? Off the top of my head its been Love, Derozan, and Westbrook in recent years. The person they have gotten because of it Nick young and they traded for Dwight Howard.

 

[gourimoko]

No way Indy leaks this story... so why would PG's camp when he could walk to LA next summer without possibly having the Lakers give anything up?

Exactly...

 

[Tressel33]

Guy's the LA thing is a smokescreen. Do any of you truly think, if PG gets traded he would bolt after 1 year of playing here with Lebron, Kyrie, and possibly Love? He wants to win, get the hell out of here. Things couldn't be going any better in the Cavs direction to land PG.

 

[billmac91]

Walks where? He just fucking said that's where he wants to play.

I think today is an incredible example of a fan base turning bad news into good news. Paul George had one way here, and even then it was a long shot. By him saying he prefers the Lakers, he gave Indiana another option.

Somehow, someway, this has turned into a good thing here. I'm dumbfounded.

I don't think you're seeing the larger picture here.

If Paul George and his agent are serious about going to LA in free agency, why the hell would they put LA in the difficult spot of having to give away assets to trade for him?

Paul George just put the gauntlet down today. He's not staying in Indiana. So indiana now, 100%, needs to broker a deal that gets them some value back. If George wants long term success in LA he back-channels news to them he's coming in 2018, but keep the assets they have to bolster the roster. George would play out 2018 keeping Indiana on the hook and they'd continue hopes of resigning him throughout the year. He'd get hero welcomes at every home game....

George went leverage route meaning he's playing his cards to exit. But the point remains, why put LA in this position when it'd be the Lakers weakening their team in pursuit of George.

The only thing that logically makes sense is he is using his leverage to manipulate the market in his favor. The Pacers are now dealing from a position of weakness because they either get back some value or he walks for nothing.

And any team that doesn't have some type of "wink and nod" approval from George isn't going to put serious offers on the table. There is a very real scenario where TT, Osman, and JR or Shump is the best deal on table. There's also potential to being a third team included to increase value as well.

But this thing is alive.....don't know if we can get it past the finish line, but the rumors have already started. Woj is already talking on twitter about Cavs and Pacers discussing options.....

So when I was told to "watch for rumors right after the finals of George to CLE", it seems pretty legit. Cavs FO is going to pursue this with verocity....

 

[inliner311]

If I were the Lakers I'd wait it out ...keep my players and just sign him next year...theres no rush...NY made that mistake with Melo when it was clear he was going there anyway

Exactly, they have a combo of real bad contracts in Mozgov and Deng, and a bunch of young players on cheap contracts. The only middle ground contracts are Jordan Clarkson at 12 mill and Corey Brewer at 7 million. If they get PG13 with one year left, the pressure is on to clear Mozgov and Deng off their books to get cap for 2018. Those are two of the worse contracts in the NBA and they have 3 years left on them. I'm not sure who is taking on 2+ years of those contracts without getting some good young talent or asset. Go after him in 2018 so you have to dump Mozgov and Deng for 2019.

 

[Rich]

Sandusky, Broussard, Woj, Windy - all of these people have mentioned rumblings of a PG13 trade, and many said the Cavs are a possible destination. Then just a bit ago McMenamin said that the Pacers were the ones who reached out. Now as of right now I'm still not at all confident that PG13 ends up a Cavalier, but my god man STFU already. These fans just lost the finals to a historic team and they want something exciting to post about, and there's not much else to post about for the Cavs other than trade speculation (next season seems forever away, we have no cap space, we have no 2017 picks).

Nah man. This board has a history of getting really riled about trades that are totally unrealistic. This goof OhioNation does have a hint of truth in his Carmelo nonsense. Back in 2014 there was a significant (not 98%) portion of this board, including respectable posters, who fully believed if the Cavs just held firm, they could have had Kevin Love for Dion Waiters and ANthony Bennett.

Same happened this February with Carmelo and how the Knicks just couldn't wait to pull the trigger on a deal centered around Channing Frye and Richard Jefferson.

Nonsense trades are fairly normal. This isn't unusual and just a reaction to losing to Golden State.

 

[Rich]

I don't think you're seeing the larger picture here.

If Paul George and his agent are serious about going to LA in free agency, why the hell would they put LA in the difficult spot of having to give away assets to trade for him?

Paul George just out the gauntlet down today. He's not staying in Indiana. So indiana now, 100%, needs to broker a deal that gets them some value back. If George wants long term success in LA he back-channels news to them he's coming in 2018, but keep the assets they have to bolster the roster. George would play out 2018 keeping Indiana on the hook and they'd continue hopes of resigning him throughout the year. He'd get hero welcomes at every home game....

George went leverage route meaning he's playing his cards to exit. But the point remains, why put LA in this position when it'd be the Lakers weakening their team in pursuit of George.

The only thing that logically makes sense is he is using his leverage to manipulate the market in his favor. The Pacers are now dealing from a position of weakness because they either get back some value or he walks for nothing.

And any team that doesn't have some type of "wink and nod" approval from George isn't going to put serious offers on the table. There is a very real scenario where TT, Osman, and JR or Shump is the best deal on table. There's also potential to being a third team as well to increase value....

But this thing is alive.....don't know if we can get it last the finish line, but the rumors have already started. Woj is already talking on twitter about Cavs and Pacers talking...

What if Paul George is trying to be a good guy and let the Pacers know so they can try and salvage something out him?

Telling them a year in advance he's gonna leave, and telling everyone else who may trade for him where he ultimately wants to end up.

That seems like an admirable thing, not some underhanded maneuver.

I think we all would have liked LeBron to let us know a year in advance, eh? We could have gotten more out of trading him as a rental to a team than we ended up getting.

 

[rosebowl89]

They don't have to go all in to beat an offer of Kevin Love. They can offer like two of those things, say Russel and INgram and then take back another contract like Monta Ellis to clear Indiana's books. There, that beats our offer and they still have Randle and this year's pick.

Do that deal and the Lakers MIGHT win 35 games next year

 

[Rich]

Do that deal and the Lakers MIGHT win 35 games next year

Who. Cares.

They aren't signing him for 5 months. They're signing him for five years. They don't have to win right away. Why are people concerned with how good the Lakers would be next season? He's just told them, and everyone else, he wants to be there. He already knows they suck and wants to go regardless.

 

[billmac91]

What if Paul George is trying to be a good guy and let the Pacers know so they can try and salvage something out him?

Telling them a year in advance he's gonna leave, and telling everyone else who may trade for him where he ultimately wants to end up.

That seems like an admirable thing, not some underhanded maneuver.

Ok.....but in that scenario you're weakening the position of the Lakers if you take him at face value, and you're also weakening the position of the Pacers.

Because now anyone who trades for George is going to use the fact it might be a 1 year rental as leverage. Which means the Pacers won't get fair market value back.

And there's not a single thing wrong in today's NBA of playing out a contract and then switching jerseys. LeBron, Durant, etc....

From a logical standpoint, it's far more likely George and his agent are applying pressure on the Pacers front office to move him. Because, even in your scenario, you think George feels like being ridiculed by his home fans for 41 games this year? Guy has just put a target on his back in Indy...and those fans are ruthless.

He's begun an exit plan from Indy that will see him moved this offseason....,I'd be shocked if he plays a single game in Indy next year. And if it's in LA, he badly fucked up by forcing them to move valuable assets they could've used once he got there. That'd be idiotic, and his agent isn't stupid...

 

[rosebowl89]

Who. Cares.

They aren't signing him for 5 months. They're signing him for five years. They don't have to win right away. Why are people concerned with how good the Lakers would be next season? He's just told them, and everyone else, he wants to be there. He already knows they suck and wants to go regardless.

Who Cares? The Lakers. I think you are way off base man. They cant give up their talented young core to trade for a guy who has said he wants to opt out and sign there next year.

 

[Rich]

Who Cares? The Lakers. I think you are way off base man. They cant give up their talented young core to trade for a guy who has said he wants to opt out and sign there next year.

No, that'd be EXACTLY when you trade assets, to turn them into a star player who signs long term.

What is going on in here?

 

[Alec]

A poster on RealGM or r/nba broke down the PG to Lakers things in length, like 2 weeks ago. If it's that much of a done deal (confirmed via backchannels) you just sign him in free agency next year and keep your assets. Anything can happen obviously, but I think you wait.