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I would not make any moves without waiting for a doctors report first. Good knows what is wrong with his shoulders. We already met our quota of injured players in our squad.

Yeah I'd have our own people check him out first. You figure Gilbeet will listen to the doctors closer than when he got IT. The one factor is this would be a long term move so any short term surgery or time he needs to sit out, will just help out tank.
 
Yeah I'd have our own people check him out first. You figure Gilbeet will listen to the doctors closer than when he got IT. The one factor is this would be a long term move so any short term surgery or time he needs to sit out, will just help out tank.

IT is precisely why i am scarred from trading for injured players.
 
Would we consider trading TT to Washington for one of their young small forwards and a pick.. ? Thier rebounding is atrocious, and with Beal and Wall scoring should not be a problem...
 
If Dwight goes put for surgery, TT and Zizic for Dwight, Manhimi and Troy Brown. ?

Hey, I did not post this! Cleverocks..
 
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If Dwight goes put for surgery, TT and Zizic for Dwight, Manhimi and Troy Brown. ?

I don't think I would give them Zizic. I haven't watch Troy Brown so I can't comment about him.

I also would have to make sure Dwight wasn't picking up his option or we could buy him out. I don't want him anywhere close to our team.
 
I don't think I would give them Zizic. I haven't watch Troy Brown so I can't comment about him.

I also would have to make sure Dwight wasn't picking up his option or we could buy him out. I don't want him anywhere close to our team.

TT is better than both Dwight and Mahinmi. Zizic is probably better than Troy Brown. If there was a good pick involved I might do it. Otherwise a net loss IMO
 
I'm a fan of Zizic, but would trade him in a heartbeat for Brown. More upside, IMO, and his positional versatility would make it easy to work him into the rotation.
 
I'm a fan of Zizic, but would trade him in a heartbeat for Brown. More upside, IMO, and his positional versatility would make it easy to work him into the rotation.

For Dwight and Mahinmi. IF Tristan is playing this way next year, we will get something for him. He could legit play for a contender. You are going to give up Zizic and Tristan for bad money and brown? I don't think he is that good. Like I said, if they add a pick I'd consider it
 
For Dwight and Mahinmi. IF Tristan is playing this way next year, we will get something for him. He could legit play for a contender. You are going to give up Zizic and Tristan for bad money and brown? I don't think he is that good. Like I said, if they add a pick I'd consider it

Oh yeah, I'm just saying I'd swap Zizic for Brown straight-up.

TT and Zizic for Dwight, Mahinmi, and Brown is a tough call...Brown's a really interesting prospect who would probably be in the mix for a top-10 pick this year if he'd stayed in school, but clearly isn't ready to help a team win games right away (he's even younger than Sexton). I assume we'd work a buyout with Dwight right away, but then we'd be stuck playing Mahinmi major minutes because we'd be so thin in the frontcourt, and I don't think he's up to the task. I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't hate it either.
 
Shouldn't teams that desire cap space to sign a big free agent be all over JR's contract?
The knicks traded the unicorn to open up cap space to sign 2 max deals...shouldn't JR's contract be able to bring back
a young player or a lower first rounder?

It's the 3 million in guaranteed money that complicates it I think. When you look at most teams salary break down getting to that max slot is usually down to a couple million one way or another. Having to eat that 3 million means they will have to make a choice on another player. A normal expiring is more valuable at this moment.

The thing with the rockets is they aren't getting cap space anytime soon. They need a contract like JRs to work with in the summer to pair with Ben Gordon's contract for an upgrade. I think they will circle back to JR if they can't find a better contract and player for right now.
 
It's the 3 million in guaranteed money that complicates it I think. When you look at most teams salary break down getting to that max slot is usually down to a couple million one way or another. Having to eat that 3 million means they will have to make a choice on another player. A normal expiring is more valuable at this moment.

The thing with the rockets is they aren't getting cap space anytime soon. They need a contract like JRs to work with in the summer to pair with Ben Gordon's contract for an upgrade. I think they will circle back to JR if they can't find a better contract and player for right now.

Smith's contract has the most value after the Finals as teams contemplate clearing space. I think he'll be the only game in town on that front since his contract was signed under the old CBA and has a team option for next year. Since it's under the old agree, it is worth the full 2019-20 salary in trade. So a team can acquire him and cut him.

Right now a guy like Burks is much more appealing because he has shown he can contribute in some way recently and there is no commitment to him next year.

So say a team like Orlando wants to clear enough space to take a run at a marquee free agent. Trading Mozgov for Smith saves them $14M in cap space and gives them some elbow room with a max slot.

For instance, you could take Hardaway off the Mavs' hands for Smith (with a little salary cap manipulation) and give them the ability to open up a max slot that could be signed while extending Porzingis the QO. There's a question of what would make that worth the Cavs' whiles. I'm not too sure Dallas could offer anything I'd be interested since adding a big name FA fish could mean late first round picks for years. But that's an example.

Does Boston want to get out from Marcus Smart? They can with JR Smith and they have draft assets. If Kyrie remains, Smart and a couple of 2019 firsts for Smith would save millions. They are right at the tax threshold next year before re-signing Rozier, etc and any firsts.

Boston is also a place I could see Kevin Love landing with those assets if K-Love plays well when he returns. A trade of Love for Hayward works. Throw in some draft picks and it could happen, though I doubt they commit to that before Kyrie commits to them, if at all.
 
Smith's contract has the most value after the Finals as teams contemplate clearing space. I think he'll be the only game in town on that front since his contract was signed under the old CBA and has a team option for next year. Since it's under the old agree, it is worth the full 2019-20 salary in trade. So a team can acquire him and cut him.

Right now a guy like Burks is much more appealing because he has shown he can contribute in some way recently and there is no commitment to him next year.

So say a team like Orlando wants to clear enough space to take a run at a marquee free agent. Trading Mozgov for Smith saves them $14M in cap space and gives them some elbow room with a max slot.

For instance, you could take Hardaway off the Mavs' hands for Smith (with a little salary cap manipulation) and give them the ability to open up a max slot that could be signed while extending Porzingis the QO. There's a question of what would make that worth the Cavs' whiles. I'm not too sure Dallas could offer anything I'd be interested since adding a big name FA fish could mean late first round picks for years. But that's an example.

Does Boston want to get out from Marcus Smart? They can with JR Smith and they have draft assets. If Kyrie remains, Smart and a couple of 2019 firsts for Smith would save millions. They are right at the tax threshold next year before re-signing Rozier, etc and any firsts.

Boston is also a place I could see Kevin Love landing with those assets if K-Love plays well when he returns. A trade of Love for Hayward works. Throw in some draft picks and it could happen, though I doubt they commit to that before Kyrie commits to them, if at all.

I think alot of us over thought the JR contract when we found out it was grandfathered into the CBA. The guaranteed date on it is June 30th so team would be trading for it without being able to sign their targets immediately. There will be teams like the Hawks, Bulls, Suns, etc who will take on salary into their cap space after free agency opens up and they can fully absorb the contract without the guaranteed money of JRs contract. Also they might get a trade exception in the process.

I do think it has some value if it was used like the Rockets used all those contracts to get CP3.
 
I think alot of us over thought the JR contract when we found out it was grandfathered into the CBA. The guaranteed date on it is June 30th so team would be trading for it without being able to sign their targets immediately. There will be teams like the Hawks, Bulls, Suns, etc who will take on salary into their cap space after free agency opens up and they can fully absorb the contract without the guaranteed money of JRs contract. Also they might get a trade exception in the process.

I do think it has some value if it was used like the Rockets used all those contracts to get CP3.

He may have no value. Entirely possible. I think a buyout is off the table though. Unless Smith is willing to give back some major money, I'd guess the Cavs will sit on the contract to see if it has any value in trade after the Finals. If not, they'll just release him and pay the buyout for next season.

I don't think we'll know his value until we get past the Finals. It's true that no team has a guarantee of signing anyone, but there are also several teams that won't have space to make a max contract offer unless they make a trade like this.
 

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