True Crime: Infamous Crimes, Unsolved Mysteries and the Like

I’m more afraid of what i’d do when I caught them though. I don’t think I would let them strand trial, it would be like putting down a dog.

 

The Gardner Museum and D.B. cooper are the two biggest unsolved crimes that I never really felt bad for the victims of.

 

Smileys EP: 1-4.

Brian Welzien.

Will discuss on the morrow.

 

Finished the Bundy doc.

He was far from a genius. He was smart and law enforcement had far fewer tools back then.

And, I am pretty sure, had he not been a decent looking white guy not only would he have not been able to get away with murders for so long, or escape, but the public would not have been enamored with him.

@The Oi

 

Enthralling discussion. Can’t wait to see.

 

The things that stood out to me were:

1) Kid had two drinks over 3-4 hours. Yet was barely able to stand and was in bad shape. I've seen this before first-hand: A friend was roofied and this happened.
2) Being in such bad shape, he would have had to walk a mile in a strange city and cross 6-8 lanes of heavy traffic on Lakeshore Drive to reach Lake Michigan, or use the underground tunnels that he may or may not have been aware of.
3) He was missing for 77 days and was found 30 miles away, washed up on a Gary, Indiana beach. This is highly unusual for people who drowned off of Lakeshore Drive. They are almost always found within 2 miles of the point of entry.
4) Whereas it is true that a body could have drifted that far, as proven by the Coast Guard using their floating sensor balls, it is unlikely it would have taken 77 days. The CG tests revealed the few balls that drifted to Indiana took 36-48 hours.
5) The body was in an amazingly good state and had little signs of decomposition for being in the water for 77 days.
6) While it is true the water was cold considering he was alleged to have gone into the water on New Years Eve, the water was 39 degrees through January according to the Coast Guard, the water was not cold enough to completely arrest decomposition.
7) After 77 days at 39 degrees, with surface temps higher during the day, the body should have exhibited a lot more purification. The detectives' third-party forensic pathologist was of the opinion that it was nearly impossible that the body was in the water for 77 days.
8) Tests revealed there was little to no alcohol in his system. Months in the water may have prejudiced the BAL, but the lack of decomposition suggest the body wasn't in the water for long.

So, if he wasn't in the water for 77 days, and a search did not turn up a body on land, what happened?

Possibilities:
1) He died on land on NYE, the body was stored in a manner that kept it fresh, and was put in the water later.
2) He wasn't killed on NYE and was killed much later and put in the water only a couple weeks before he was found.

Both would suggest foul play.

 

Nailed it.

Something about Bundy just really gets under my skin. The fact that he was such a narcissistic, arrogant fuck is no different than all of these guys. It’s the positive public reaction that he was able to feed off of that bothers me.

These guys should be studied like dangerous animals with empathy for the innocent abused child version of the adult they eventually became...but not romanticized. Romanticizing these guys without acknowledging victims and families really bothers me. And a lot of this happened with Bundy, because you said it...he was an attractive guy.

Once you deep dive into these people, you realize how rotten they were. I think the vast majority of these guys are produced. He may have been wired.

 

Can we talk about Abducted in Plain Sight? That has to be the craziest story I've ever heard. I can't decide who the biggest idiot/enabler was in the whole ordeal.

 

And these serial killers are usually such cowards.

Ooooooooh big man, killing someone smaller and weaker than you.

That is why the Smiley Face Killers could be a thing: Trophy hunters who target the strongest, and fittest humans and kill them so discretely that people don't even notice the crime.