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Week 3 (9/27): Raiders (1-1) @ Browns (1-1) [1:00 PM EST, CBS]

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AZ_ said:
Not a wholly terrible day for Schwartz when you're going up against should-have-been Browns linebacker Khalil Mack.
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Ugh.. him and Teddy would have been awesome.. Teddy does look average so far.
 
Someone bring me another statistic about the Browns that will make me depressed and giddy both at the same time.
 
The Oi said:
Someone bring me another statistic about the Browns that will make me depressed and giddy both at the same time.
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Against Cincinnati, The Oakland defense gave up 126 yards on the ground at 4.7 yards a carry. Against Baltimore, Oakland gave up 107 yards for 4.6 a carry to running backs.

Against the Browns, the very same defense held us to an impotent 2.8 yards a carry for 39 yards.

Us.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Us.
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Phills14 said:
We are in this spot because we continually blow things up after 2 years (1 in the case of Chudzinksi). We CAN'T keep doing that. We have to hire the right people, believe in them, give them the freedom to do their jobs and stick with them through the bad times not just the good.
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The entire scouting department and GM should be nuked. If neither of those groups are making final personnel decisions, then we're fucked and it doesn't really matter....so sure, keep them around if that is the case.

Our only good assistant left in the off-season because of how miserably our organization was run. He's now in Atlanta unleashing Julio Jones (I'll leave that alone) on every DB who looks in his direction. Matt Ryan is off to the best start of his career and Shanahan's system is turning him in to a guy who can stretch the ball downfield, something he really hasn't done his whole career.

Atlanta's rushing, passing and scoring numbers are all up from a year ago. Their 3rd down % is way up (10%), as is their scoring (nearly a TD better - 5.9 points)....and they have posted these numbers while opening with two of three on the road. I won't even get in to our offensive numbers because they are fuckin awful (86 rushing yards per game awful).

I'm completely indifferent on Pettine. I think he's a career NFL assistant who was given a chance because no one else wanted the job. If we deem an alternative to be of a similar stature, then sure, hang on to him and see if there's a young GM (with a connection to him) that would be willing to implement his system.

In terms of sticking with guys, I believe in that approach from a coaching perspective but player personnel positions are REALLY easy to evaluate immediately IMO. These aren't HS kids who need to redshirt. Good NFL front offices find guys who can play immediately and make an impact. That much is evident when you look at the average ages of rosters like Green Bay, New England, Seattle, etc. They're not only the best teams in football, they're also the youngest......because they actually have GM's who would never consider drafting the way the Browns draft.

I don't believe in change for the sake of change but after seeing a slew of awful front office personnel, I think I'm conditioned to see the suck immediately and Farmer and crew are just as bad as every other guy who's come through that turnstile front office. What's maybe most damning to him is our best players weren't even drafted by him.....and that is saying something given the draft suck we have incurred. Seriously, go down the roster in the 18 or so draft picks he's made, I'd argue (2) are NFL players that could even play on good teams (Bitonio / Shelton). He's wasted what look to be two number one picks (Manziel / Gilbert) and spent a third on a backup lineman who we hope will be good enough to replace our current two-time pro bowl center, who we're dying to get rid of. He's burned 3rd and 4th round picks on guys who couldn't even make the roster or needed to be traded for various reasons.

I would go on but my head hurts. :cha (40):
 
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I'mWithDan said:
I'm completely indifferent on Pettine. I think he's a career NFL assistant who was given a chance because no one else wanted the job.
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And the Browns made him pay for his own flight into Cleveland for the interview!

@AZ_

I'mWithDan said:
I don't believe in change for the sake of change but after seeing a slew of awful front office personnel, I think I'm conditioned to see the suck immediately and Farmer and crew are just as bad as every other guy who's come through that turnstile front office.
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Been saying this for years.

These guys they kick to the curb NEVER have success anywhere else. It's because nobody wanted them coming in and nobody wants them going out.

You pointed out the single exception in Shanahan, who they were luck as hell to have gotten in the first place.

You could say there's no point in blowing up the office every 2-3 years, but the problem is that these guys never should have been hired in the first place.

We'll be able to confirm Shelton is a bust in a few games, but it's awfully clear to me that Farmer's other pics are unmitigated disasters as well.

The texting thing was asinine and just one more embarrassment in a long line of them from the worst franchise in sports.
 
The Dwyane Bowe signing for 9 milli is also a fuckup for the ages.

Ray Farmer should be canned sooner rather than later.
 
JSS2306 said:
The Dwyane Bowe signing for 9 milli is also a fuckup for the ages.

Ray Farmer should be canned sooner rather than later.
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I don't understand that signing at all. Bizarre. The guy can't even get on the field.

It's not like the signing at the time made any sense either. Any Chief fan could have told you he's washed up garbage at this point.

Horrible signing.
 
I still dont understand why Pryor was cut.. to sign Turbin... get outta here.
 
AZ_ said:
James Jones seems to be doing OK.
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really thats your example?
he wasnt cut three days before week one he was cut twice. by the raiders then the giants when they reduced their roster to 53 not after and he was signed by the team he had played with for ten years including a super bowl championship or two.

Your gonna compare that to a QB turned WR without an NFL start..

Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns another guy to throw in along side Travis Benjamin a few times per game and he had chemistry with both Manziel and Mccown.

you find Talent you keep it and none of the coaching staff denied his talent. thats why they kept him after they cut down to 53 despite not participating in preseason games due to injury.
 
Tornicade said:
really thats your example?
he wasnt cut three days before week one he was cut twice. by the raiders then the giants when they reduced their roster to 53 not after and he was signed by the team he had played with for ten years including a super bowl championship or two.

Your gonna compare that to a QB turned WR without an NFL start..

Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns another guy to throw in along side Travis Benjamin a few times per game and he had chemistry with both Manziel and Mccown.

you find Talent you keep it and none of the coaching staff denied his talent. thats why they kept him after they cut down to 53 despite not participating in preseason games due to injury.
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I'm not going to go through the list of transactions and find you examples.

Needless to say, guys have been signed. Pryor has yet to even find another gig, and if he had a chance to start opposite Travis Benjamin he would still be here.

Bullshitting about "chemistry" when he barely saw the field is just classic you...so I'll leave that one alone.
 
AZ_ said:
I'm not going to go through the list of transactions and find you examples.

Needless to say, guys have been signed. Pryor has yet to even find another gig, and if he had a chance to start opposite Travis Benjamin he would still be here.

Bullshitting about "chemistry" when he barely saw the field is just classic you...so I'll leave that one alone.
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Chemistry is just another in the long line of intagibles you don't appreciate.

Chemistry, Swag, Moxy, "Being a Winner," etc...
 
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