Week 7 (10/25): Browns (2-4) @ Rams (2-3) [1:00 PM EST, CBS]

[Los216]

I hate Browns fans.

 

[The Oi]

I started the Rams today!!!!!

 

[Birdy89]

Knowing how much of a hot head Jimmy Haslam is, wouldn't surprise me if Farmer didn't have a job Monday morning....

Hot head?

Getting rid of Ray Farmer would be the first rational decision out of Haslam in quite a while.

Quite frankly it should have been done before he had a chance to screw up last years draft like he did the one before.

The guy had no business being an NFL GM in the first place.

 

[The Oi]

I hate Browns fans.

You shouldn't. They're reflective of the product they've been given.

Or just hate all fans instead.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I hate Browns fans.

What the hell do you want us to do? It has been 16 years of this shit. We are no where close to being a playoff team unless we dumb luck into a FQB.

People are being critical of one of the worst run franchises in all of sports. How the hell could you not be?

 

[spydy13]

The guy had no business being an NFL GM in the first place.

He was one of the more respected assistant GMs in the league before he got the job, so you're talking out of your ass.

One thing that was definitely not wise though was sticking him with a coach that he did not pick.

 

[WellYouNeednt]

I hate Browns fans.

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

I JUST WANT AN COMPETENT TEAM!

 

[EdMonix11]

He was one of the more respected assistant GMs in the league before he got the job, so you're talking out of your ass.

Not really but whatever. Farmer was assistant GM in Cleveland for one year and Director of Player Personnel in KC for seven years. He had never run a draft or scouted for a draft before he got to Cleveland. I'm not sure how one can be one of the more respected assistant GM's based on that resume.

He's in over his head and his two drafts show that. It hurts that his FA signings, which is supposed to be his main strength, have been busts for the most part too..... The Browns just don't have enough talent on the roster and that's Farmer's responsibility.

 

[spydy13]

Not really but whatever. Farmer was assistant GM in Cleveland for one year and Director of Player Personnel in KC for six years. He had never run a draft or scouted for a draft before he got to Cleveland. I'm not sure how one can be one of the more respected assistant GM's based on that resume.

He interviewed for the Dolphins job the same summer he later got the full title here, and by most accounts the job was his if he wanted it. If that doesn't mean that he's respected then I'm not sure what else to say. And yes, he had not been a draft scout or run a draft (no assistant does that so I'm not sure how you can hold that against him), but his job in KC was being in charge of scouting professional talent not on their team.

He's in over his head and his two drafts show that. It hurts that his FA signings, which is supposed to be his main strength, have been busts for the most part too..... The Browns just don't have enough talent on the roster and that's Farmer's responsibility.

Saying he was respected before he got the job and having bumps in the road when he got it are not mutually exclusive things. I fully admit that the team he has built this year does not look great, but I'm not really sure what people were expecting from this year anyways. It seems like the everyone on the board has suddenly come to the conclusion that we stink just because we got clobbered this week, when it was pretty apparent in the pre-season that this team wasn't ready to take the next step.

 

[shoes22]

Ray Farmer was well respected 3 years ago? Great. Because he surely isn’t respected by anyone now.

 

[AZ_]

Ray Farmer was well respected 3 years ago? Great. Because he surely isn’t respected by anyone now.

He's going to have to wait a few years before he gets a better job and becomes respected again.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

He interviewed for the Dolphins job the same summer he later got the full title here, and by most accounts the job was his if he wanted it. If that doesn't mean that he's respected then I'm not sure what else to say. And yes, he had not been a draft scout or run a draft (no assistant does that so I'm not sure how you can hold that against him), but his job in KC was being in charge of scouting professional talent not on their team.



Saying he was respected before he got the job and having bumps in the road when he got it are not mutually exclusive things. I fully admit that the team he has built this year does not look great, but I'm not really sure what people were expecting from this year anyways. It seems like the everyone on the board has suddenly come to the conclusion that we stink just because we got clobbered this week, when it was pretty apparent in the pre-season that this team wasn't ready to take the next step.

I think the problem stems from the larger than usual amount of draft picks we have had in the last two years paired with how we are regressing. No rational person thought this was a playoff team, but to look as bad as we have at things we made our #1 priority to fix shows incompetence. Twenty draft picks and 2 full offseasons is enough to not be utter garbage when you start your tenure with 5 pro bowlers from prior regimes.

Farmer hasn't just failed in his two drafts, but he halted any sort of progress we were making, has made us much older, and has really positioned us for a complete rebuild. I'm not being emotional. I had zero hope for today's game, and am honestly just kind of numb to it. I love the Browns, but I really kind of hate this group of players (with exceptions for a lot of guys like Thomas, Gary, poop dicker, even McCown and Mingo because at least they give a rats ass. There are others like Benji, but I am tired of listing them so if you are a Browns player and want to know if I currently hate you just PM me.) We really don't have much to build around. We are several players away, and given how many picks/signings Ray has had that just isn't ok.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

He's going to have to wait a few years before he gets a better job and becomes respected again.

Oh come on. I know it's a game day thread and there are some emotional posts that are some truly hot takes, but you can't seriously think Farmer got dealt a bad hand here.

He started with 5 pro bowlers. That is more than a LOT of GMs ever start with. He has had around 20 picks. Farmer has dug his own grave, this wasn't forced on him.

 

[AZ_]

Oh come on. I know it's a game day thread and there are some emotional posts that are some truly hot takes, but you can't seriously think Farmer got dealt a bad hand here.

He started with 5 pro bowlers. That is more than a LOT of GMs ever start with. He has had around 20 picks. Farmer has dug his own grave, this wasn't forced on him.

I don't disagree he's dug his own grave here if and when he's fired.

But let's not pretend like this organization was a powderkeg waiting to wreck this league.

Overzealous owner, zero quarterback, little chance to retain free agents eager to get to a better organization.

Almost anyone who takes this position will be coming in to a less than ideal scenario.