So Long, David Nwaba

[amurderofcrows]

Can we get Lue some "Training"?

 

[FrontPageNews]

Finally have terms

 

[inliner311]

Finally have terms

I wonder if this means Hood and the cavs are close on a deal.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

What's the point of signing him to a 1 year deal? it almost looks like we are dead set on competing for some odd reason.

The whole point of signing Nwaba is to sign him to a long term contract and hope that he improves during this time.

I don't love this 1 year minimum signing. Would have liked to secure him long term.

 

[avs2000]

What's the point of signing him to a 1 year deal? it almost looks like we are dead set on competing for some odd reason.

The whole point of signing Nwaba is to sign him to a long term contract and hope that he improves during this time.

I don't love this 1 year minimum signing. Would have liked to secure him long term.

They can make him a Rfa after this season for 1.9 mil. If he turns out to be something they can retain him

 

[Cavatt]

They can make him a Rfa after this season for 1.9 mil. If he turns out to be something they can retain him

How can that be when Chicago pulled their qo? Doesn't that make him an ufa?

 

[Douglar]

Second round picks and undrafted free agents can become restricted free agents after their first, second, and third season as long as their contract expire without getting waived and their team makes the qualifing offer during the off season. So theoretically, a player could be an RFA up to three times if they played on three one year deals, received three qualifying offers, but never signed the qualifying offers and accepted different deals each time.

 

[Douglar]

Here's the Bull's perspective. Not sure moving to Cleveland opens up more playing time unless he thinks that Smith, Hood, and Korver are all out the door in short order.

https://www.blogabull.com/2018/9/10...igns-with-cleveland-cavaliers-for-1-5-million

Over the weekend there was news made official that was rumored weeks ago: now-former Chicago Bulls shooting guard David Nwaba signed with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

It was merely a one year contract, valued at $1.5 million. On July 12, the Bulls rescinded the $1.7 million qualifying offer, making Nwaba an unrestricted free agent. They pretty much immediately used that extra bit of cap space to give more 1st-year money to Jabari Parker. So clearly it wasn’t cap constraints limiting their ability to retain Nwaba. And in the wake of Nwaba’s departure, the Chicago Tribune’s K.C. Johnson presents what you could call ‘the Bulls line of thinking’ in that the decision to part ways with Nwaba was a playing time issue.

In 21 games last season, Nwaba averaged 7.9 points and 4.7 rebounds per game while establishing himself as one of the Bulls best perimeter defenders. Although his jump shot was mostly unserviceable (he hit nearly 35% of his threes, but on extremely low volume), his self-awareness of his role offensively made him the type of player that all good teams need to have somewhere on their roster.

But maybe we should reason that the Bulls don’t project to be a good team? While it’s nominally true that the Bulls are jammed at the shooting guard position, it is up in the air whether Nwaba isn’t merely not the worst, but actually the best of them.

Justin Holiday is a better scorer and shooter, but doesn’t taking a chance on a 25-year-old Nwaba make more sense than a 29-year-old Holiday? Basically everything that Denzel Valentineis bad at, Nwaba is good at and vice versa, making their distinction more a preference in skillsets and playing styles. Antonio Blakeney hasn’t proven his otherworldly scoring outputs at the G League level can carry over to the NBA, so his main utility over Nwaba is that he’s three years younger. That’s a questionable reason to not re-sign a guy over.

There’s even an argument to be made that Zach LaVine, who will make $18m more than Nwaba next year, will be lower in productivity and likely a lot less in value than Nwaba.

Out of all the guys just mentioned, Nwaba is the only one who is a plus player on the defensive end of the floor. However, he’s the worst shooter of the group, so perhaps the Bulls considered the ‘Hoiball fit’ when evaluating who they’d move forward with at the shooting guard position? To that point though, Nwaba was definitely Hoiberg’s style when it came to pushing the pace.

Altogether, this ends a transaction cycle that started out as a smart move (claiming Nwaba in the first place) but ended in a bad one. Letting a guy in his mid-20s, with NBA utility, walk when he ended up signing for $1.5 million two months later isn’t a great look for rebuilding team that should be aggressively trying to work the margins of the roster to unearth talent. Nwaba’s terms with the Cavaliers suggests it is less financial and more of a player evaluation problem when it comes to what the Bulls deem to be valuable.​

 

[avs2000]

Here's the Bull's perspective. Not sure moving to Cleveland opens up more playing time unless he things that Smith, Hood, and Korver are all out the door in short order.

https://www.blogabull.com/2018/9/10...igns-with-cleveland-cavaliers-for-1-5-million

Over the weekend there was news made official that was rumored weeks ago: now-former Chicago Bulls shooting guard David Nwaba signed with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

It was merely a one year contract, valued at $1.5 million. On July 12, the Bulls rescinded the $1.7 million qualifying offer, making Nwaba an unrestricted free agent. They pretty much immediately used that extra bit of cap space to give more 1st-year money to Jabari Parker. So clearly it wasn’t cap constraints limiting their ability to retain Nwaba. And in the wake of Nwaba’s departure, the Chicago Tribune’s K.C. Johnson presents what you could call ‘the Bulls line of thinking’ in that the decision to part ways with Nwaba was a playing time issue.

In 21 games last season, Nwaba averaged 7.9 points and 4.7 rebounds per game while establishing himself as one of the Bulls best perimeter defenders. Although his jump shot was mostly unserviceable (he hit nearly 35% of his threes, but on extremely low volume), his self-awareness of his role offensively made him the type of player that all good teams need to have somewhere on their roster.

But maybe we should reason that the Bulls don’t project to be a good team? While it’s nominally true that the Bulls are jammed at the shooting guard position, it is up in the air whether Nwaba isn’t merely not the worst, but actually the best of them.

Justin Holiday is a better scorer and shooter, but doesn’t taking a chance on a 25-year-old Nwaba make more sense than a 29-year-old Holiday? Basically everything that Denzel Valentineis bad at, Nwaba is good at and vice versa, making their distinction more a preference in skillsets and playing styles. Antonio Blakeney hasn’t proven his otherworldly scoring outputs at the G League level can carry over to the NBA, so his main utility over Nwaba is that he’s three years younger. That’s a questionable reason to not re-sign a guy over.

There’s even an argument to be made that Zach LaVine, who will make $18m more than Nwaba next year, will be lower in productivity and likely a lot less in value than Nwaba.

Out of all the guys just mentioned, Nwaba is the only one who is a plus player on the defensive end of the floor. However, he’s the worst shooter of the group, so perhaps the Bulls considered the ‘Hoiball fit’ when evaluating who they’d move forward with at the shooting guard position? To that point though, Nwaba was definitely Hoiberg’s style when it came to pushing the pace.

Altogether, this ends a transaction cycle that started out as a smart move (claiming Nwaba in the first place) but ended in a bad one. Letting a guy in his mid-20s, with NBA utility, walk when he ended up signing for $1.5 million two months later isn’t a great look for rebuilding team that should be aggressively trying to work the margins of the roster to unearth talent. Nwaba’s terms with the Cavaliers suggests it is less financial and more of a player evaluation problem when it comes to what the Bulls deem to be valuable.​

Just a good move for cavs. Low risk high reward and we can match any offer next year if he is the real deal

 

[chuck0609]

Sounds like the Bulls want to tank again while the Cavs added a solid young piece with upside.

 

[Cavatt]

Glad we got him. I wonder what the deal is. I do t really get the min signing. Like would they have given him less if they got Hood on a multi-year deal? Impossible.

 

[Douglar]

Glad we got him. I wonder what the deal is. I do t really get the min signing. Like would they have given him less if they got Hood on a multi-year deal? Impossible.

Sure seemed like the delay in signing Nwaba had something to do with Hood's situation. Maybe the Cavs were going to give him a larger paycheck if Hood didn't sign at all? Don't know.

But what's not to like about the current deal? The Cavs can still make him a restricted free agent again next summer with a very low qualifying offer and the team has more maneuvering space under the luxury tax this season.

 

[Cavatt]

Sure seemed like the delay in signing Nwaba had something to do with Hood's situation. Maybe the Cavs were going to give him a larger paycheck if Hood didn't sign at all? Don't know.

But what's not to like about the current deal? The Cavs can still make him a restricted free agent again next summer with a very low qualifying offer and the team has more maneuvering space under the luxury tax this season.

Well I would have locked him up for 3 years on a 2.5M /year deal with a team option last year or something like that. He's a hustle guy that fits on any team and although he isn't a volume scorer he can hit a shot and definitely finish and rebound. People like him, his teammates like him, he is a good guy to hold onto.

Really I just meant that I can't figure out what wiggle room they wanted? I guess maybe they wouldn't have signed him at all? I dunno why does he want cleveland so bad? Surely defensive wings that can rebound and can hit a 3 if asked to have a few options.

 

[NobodyImportant]

It's almost like he's easily replaceable roster filler!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

But what's not to like about the current deal? The Cavs can still make him a restricted free agent again next summer with a very low qualifying offer and the team has more maneuvering space under the luxury tax this season.

This may become valuable if we decide to use that space to take on bad salary and a good pick later in the season.