Welcome Larry Sanders and So Long

[LeeBuckeye]

Larry misses bus (fact)

Then coaches/GM have a meeting:
"So Larry sucks right!?!?"
"Lol"
"Walking 6th foul and TO machine"
"Yeah he is terrible right now and won't help us anytime soon"

What if he didn't miss the bus, would he suck less? The connection was bizarre but the decision is ultimately the correct one.

 

[Ohio]

You know that i'm JMoney's Alt right?

This actually makes a lot of sense...

 

[HurricaneKid]

Larry misses bus (fact)

Then coaches/GM have a meeting:
"So Larry sucks right!?!?"
"Lol"
"Walking 6th foul and TO machine"
"Yeah he is terrible right now and won't help us anytime soon"

What if he didn't miss the bus, would he suck less? The connection was bizarre but the decision is ultimately the correct one.

I think the point is when you are a developmental player you better be doing everything else right. You aren't good enough to see the court so you need to make sure you are enhancing the team culture, practicing hard, showing up early, etc. If you are the last guy on the roster and are doing the team culture harm and not showing up for the team bus, you aren't doing the things you need to be a part of the team.

Furthermore, if you are so bad you cannot be called upon even in situational moments your spot probably needs to go to someone who CAN. As I just mentioned above, what happens in the Toronto series if Val gets Tris in foul trouble or is able to physically exert his will on him? Now we have a big we can put on him for 10 min a game.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

This actually makes a lot of sense...

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

This actually makes a lot of sense...

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think the point is when you are a developmental player you better be doing everything else right. You aren't good enough to see the court so you need to make sure you are enhancing the team culture, practicing hard, showing up early, etc. If you are the last guy on the roster and are doing the team culture harm and not showing up for the team bus, you aren't doing the things you need to be a part of the team.

Furthermore, if you are so bad you cannot be called upon even in situational moments your spot probably needs to go to someone who CAN. As I just mentioned above, what happens in the Toronto series if Val gets Tris in foul trouble or is able to physically exert his will on him? Now we have a big we can put on him for 10 min a game.

One of the things Griff mentioned specifically about Tavares was that he was a well-grounded guy with a good attitude, and that the team could use guys like that in the locker room. It doesn't take much reading between the lines to conclude that was something they weren't getting from Sanders. And then we actually uses the word "flake" with respect to Sanders....

What are we arguing about again?

 

[LeeBuckeye]

I think we're just splitting hairs at this point because the end result is unimpeachable which is Tavares has proven to be more effective than Sanders.

 

[HurricaneKid]

The question of how to get Sanders motivated was never answered properly in Milwaukee so who knows how he takes it.

Expect this to go a weird direction. It may go well, it may not. But it won't go exactly like anyone thinks its going to. He is just that kind of dude.

There is almost no self awareness. Its been shockingly poor for years.

A lot of Bucks fans saw this coming a long ways off. I hope he can put in the work and climb back, but nothing he has ever done would indicate its a likely result.

 

[LeShaq]

The guy wasn't ready to play, I thought that was fairly clear when watching. The timing was not there, much as Griffin said yesterday.

Combine that with possibly being late for a team bus, and I could see him going bye-bye.

Hopefully he can get himself into a better place for the summer, and then we can snag either him or Bogut for next year. While also hanging on to Tavares, provided we want to keep Tavares around.

The Cavs have no reason to "smear" Sanders on the way out the door. That makes no sense, and serves no purpose. This isn't like the piling-on of Blatt that took place when he left.

 

[Snarly]

The guy wasn't ready to play, I thought that was fairly clear when watching. The timing was not there, much as Griffin said yesterday.

Combine that with possibly being late for a team bus, and I could see him going bye-bye.

Hopefully he can get himself into a better place for the summer, and then we can snag either him or Bogut for next year. While also hanging on to Tavares, provided we want to keep Tavares around.

The Cavs have no reason to "smear" Sanders on the way out the door. That makes no sense, and serves no purpose. This isn't like the piling-on of Blatt that took place when he left.

I agree 100 percent about this as everyone is on good terms and this comes down to Sanders knowing he is not ready yet. Also Bogut sending a message he might want to come back. While keeping Taveras would be ideal. For all we know this was the plan all along.

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

The guy wasn't ready to play, I thought that was fairly clear when watching. The timing was not there, much as Griffin said yesterday.

Combine that with possibly being late for a team bus, and I could see him going bye-bye.

Hopefully he can get himself into a better place for the summer, and then we can snag either him or Bogut for next year. While also hanging on to Tavares, provided we want to keep Tavares around.

The Cavs have no reason to "smear" Sanders on the way out the door. That makes no sense, and serves no purpose. This isn't like the piling-on of Blatt that took place when he left.

Timing was off because he didn't play lol, if Lue played him 30+ minutes per game from the moment he arrived than guess what, his "timing" would magically return and he'd look pretty solid again.

There's just no other way to get rhythm and timing back than playing a shit ton of minutes and NBA games, Lue elected not to do that but watching him for 2 minutes and saying his timing is off because he didn't look good in just 2 minutes is not fair to any player imo.

Any way I'm completely over this Sanders thing it is what it is, I just hope that Lue actually plays Edy and doesn't bury him on the bench like he did Larry, Edy should be a great shape conditioning wise, he blocked 6 damn shots in 24 minutes lmao, that's because teams drive at will on us because they're not used to getting challenged at the rim at all.

Even if you play Edy around 20 minutes per game it could really change how teams attack and approach us, its a mentally thing even when they just see a 7'3 guy down low everything changes, a couple of players getting their shot blocked & suddenly you'll see them starting to take way more jumpers & way less drives.

 

[Douglar]

Timing was off because he didn't play lol, if Lue played him 30+ minutes per game from the moment he arrived than guess what, his "timing" would magically return and he'd look pretty solid again.

There's just no other way to get rhythm and timing back than playing a shit ton of minutes and NBA games, Lue elected not to do that but watching him for 2 minutes and saying his timing is off because he didn't look good in just 2 minutes is not fair to any player imo.

There's a lot of stuff that NBA players do outside of game time to get good at basketball. It doesn't all just happen on the game floor. I imagine that Lue watched Larry's play in Canton and watched him practice a lot.

Giving players game time minutes isn't some magical elixir that will make them not suck if they suck. The timing that Larry had was a rare gift that doesn't last forever. In my opinion, it's probably not coming back at this point in his career after so much time off when the guy isn't known for a having a hard core work ethic.

But my opinion this probably goes even deeper than that. In this case, no amount of game time is going to make a guy like to play basketball if he didn't like playing basketball in the first place.

 

[LeShaq]

McMen new post-mortem on Sanders
http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-...vs-curious-four-week-larry-sanders-experiment

 

[JFT]

About sums it up

“I think it was pretty clear Larry was really far away in ways that we didn’t think that he was really far away,” Cavs general manager David Griffin said Wednesday before Cleveland played its regular-season finale against the Toronto Raptors.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-...vs-curious-four-week-larry-sanders-experiment

 

[Sebastian]

About sums it up

“I think it was pretty clear Larry was really far away in ways that we didn’t think that he was really far away,” Cavs general manager David Griffin said Wednesday before Cleveland played its regular-season finale against the Toronto Raptors.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-...vs-curious-four-week-larry-sanders-experiment

Also, to be noted:

"Is this it for Sanders’ comeback attempt? The Cavs aren’t closing the door completely.

“We’re not signing off from the Larry experience,” Griffin said. “We like Larry, so yeah, absolutely, if it worked out and he was in game shape, we would certainly entertain that.”