Wikileaks Vault7

[Wrathe]

Snowden didn't go through the desired channels as that was proven a bad path with those who walked it beforehand. Drake, Binney, etc. Those whistleblowers were mistreated, and had punitive actions taken against them. How many failures in the system need recorded before you give the guy who chose to bypass that system a pass?

 

[caf]

Snowden didn't go through the desired channels as that was proven a bad path with those who walked it beforehand. Drake, Binney, etc. Those whistleblowers were mistreated, and had punitive actions taken against them. How many failures in the system need recorded before you give the guy who chose to bypass that system a pass?

Nope. No passes. You're just paranoid for distrusting an organization that sold drugs for money.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Man, in times like these, I really wonder what Damien O'Connel would think.




























Oh, wait. No, I don't.

 

[gourimoko]

Nope. No passes. You're just paranoid for distrusting an organization that sold drugs for money.

Among other things..

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't need the CIA breaking my iPhone. It's an Apple product. It'll break on its own in eight months.

 

[BooyaCS]

It's important to understand that this dump contains not only the fact that the CIA had this capability, but also the actual code that they used. Think about what that means.

1) WikiLeaks (and the leaker) have now given other governments, and generic hackers/thieves/bad guys/perverts, etc., the ability to do exactly what some folks are saying they don't want the CIA to do. It greatly multiplies the number of people who may invade our privacy, and makes all of us much less secure.

2) The average person lacks the ability to use this information to protect themselves. So, for most of us, this dump doesn't even have the offsetting advantage of making us even a little bit more secure.

3) Opposing governments and other sophisticated organizations (like some terrorist organizations) do have a greater ability to use this dump to protect themselves and/or modify their behaviors, to make effective surveillance less likely. In other words, this makes it much more difficult for our own government to get useful, actionable intelligence regarding bad people who actually mean to do us harm. For all we know, it may be the equivalent of telling the Nazis about Ultra, or the Japanese about Magic.

I cannot fathom the argument that this dump, and the person/people responsible for it, are actually a good thing.

The information is bad enough but the code... It puts guys like me behind the 8 ball even more. When black hats get that type of code the white hats go crazy.

Also there is a thing called the common weakness enumeration and the common vulnerability enumeration. Both are logged by mitre and are all the known exploits and when they were found. Keep in mind that is Comercial software and not government.

Oh and I agree with Qtip the world has ended...

 

[BooyaCS]

I don't need the CIA breaking my iPhone. It's an Apple product. It'll break on its own in eight months.

There's your problem...

 

[gourimoko]

It's important to understand that this dump contains not only the fact that the CIA had this capability, but also the actual code that they used. Think about what that means.

1) WikiLeaks (and the leaker) have now given other governments, and generic hackers/thieves/bad guys/perverts, etc., the ability to do exactly what some folks are saying they don't want the CIA to do. It greatly multiplies the number of people who may invade our privacy, and makes all of us much less secure.

2) The average person lacks the ability to use this information to protect themselves. So, for most of us, this dump doesn't even have the offsetting advantage of making us even a little bit more secure.

3) Opposing governments and other sophisticated organizations (like some terrorist organizations) do have a greater ability to use this dump to protect themselves and/or modify their behaviors, to make effective surveillance less likely. In other words, this makes it much more difficult for our own government to get useful, actionable intelligence regarding bad people who actually mean to do us harm. For all we know, it may be the equivalent of telling the Nazis about Ultra, or the Japanese about Magic.

I cannot fathom the argument that this dump, and the person/people responsible for it, are actually a good thing.

The information is bad enough but the code... It puts guys like me behind the 8 ball even more. When black hats get that type of code the white hats go crazy.

Also there is a thing called the common weakness enumeration and the common vulnerability enumeration. Both are logged by mitre and are all the known exploits and when they were found. Keep in mind that is Comercial software and not government.

Oh and I agree with Qtip the world has ended...

Dumping the exploit code itself is advantageous to developers since it means the particular vulnerabilities can finally be patched.

Yes, deadlines are gonna be a bitch; but if the vulnerability is that severe then the software companies need to be made aware of it immediately.

 

[Kevalier]

Anyone who isn't paranoid, and who doesn't want to see innocent people hurt by information dumps that contain classified information. People died because of what Snowden did.

You've also ignored that there is the very clear option to go completely around their superiors, and go to a member of Congress from a party different from the one that controls the White House. Why isn't that a viable option?

And finally...I'm kind of in awe that you're lamenting how horrible all this damaging cyber warfare program/techniques are, but don't think the person who released them should be prosecuted. That's like giving a pass to someone who releases a biological weapon into the general population.

People died because of Snowden's carefully constructed leaks? That is absolute horse shit of the highest degree and nothing more than Deep State propaganda. Where is your evidence of deaths resulting from Snowden exposing the NSA's data mining program?

 

[David.]

Popcorn

 

[Tornicade]

There are rules for whistleblowing, and they don't involve running to the press or just dumping it all publicly.

Your obligation is to complain internally first. If that doesn't work, then you essentially go up the chain of command. Alternatively -- and this is really the most realistic option in some cases -- go to a member of Congress, preferably one sitting on the intelligence committees. They are bipartisan so there is much less of a chance of it being covered up in deference to a sitting Administration, and then let them handle it. If that fails, go to some other member of Congress. My guess is that if you don't get a satisfactory response anywhere along the line, then you're probably in the wrong anyway. But at least if you go to the press or someone after trying all that, you attempted to minimize collateral damage.

Snowden didn't do that -- he just saw stuff he thought was wrong, and dumped it without regard to whether any of it was damaging to the country. That's indefensible as far as I'm concerned. Same with these other clowns.

Thousands of documents were. the information merited Congressional investigations.

The government will not always protect us from the government. this is why you have the press to keep the public aware fof government processes when bad behavior is ignored.

I also don't have a lot of faith in the classification system as many things are appearing to be marked classified just to hide or cover up questionable activities.


Go to his congressman? the same congress that set up an independent ethics oversight committee then moved to have it defunded and report to them?

Not only did Snowden goto his superiors he wrote them a program that allowed them to receive updates.

 

[Sebastian]

The problem is that the other side is going to do it anyway. I don't see eliminating our cyber capability as being a viable option, but we absolutely have to apply the same security considerations to that info that we apply to our nukes. You leak it, you go to jail for a very long time.

In 1905 the British decided not to build an extensive submarine arm because they felt use of such a weapon, particularly because the Germans were constructing them in numbers, was "ungentlemanly." They paid dearly for that attitude.

Anyone that argues that we shouldn't keep an eye on the CIA from spying on us is foolish. Anyone that argues we shouldn't develop cyber-warfare capability is just as foolish.

Wikileaks ceased being an independent whistle-blowing organization for sometime. They should be considered close allies, or worse, of Russian intelligence.

Anyone who isn't paranoid, and who doesn't want to see innocent people hurt by information dumps that contain classified information. People died because of what Snowden did.

You've also ignored that there is the very clear option to go completely around their superiors, and go to a member of Congress from a party different from the one that controls the White House. Why isn't that a viable option?

And finally...I'm kind of in awe that you're lamenting how horrible all this damaging cyber warfare program/techniques are, but don't think the person who released them should be prosecuted. That's like giving a pass to someone who releases a biological weapon into the general population.

I think perhaps you meant PFC Manning?

 

[BooyaCS]

Dumping the exploit code itself is advantageous to developers since it means the particular vulnerabilities can finally be patched.

Yes, deadlines are gonna be a bitch; but if the vulnerability is that severe then the software companies need to be made aware of it immediately.

Is it exploit code or is it hacking scripts. One causes more damage than the other and the exploits may not be fixed in time.

Not disagreeing about companies needing to know. The issue is what is stolen when this is released before the fixes are in place.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

In 1905 the British decided not to build an extensive submarine arm because they felt use of such a weapon, particularly because the Germans were constructing them in numbers, was "ungentlemanly." They paid dearly for that attitude.

Anyone that argues that we shouldn't keep an eye on the CIA from spying on us is foolish. Anyone that argues we shouldn't develop cyber-warfare capability is just as foolish.

Dead-nuts on. That's not an easy balance to achieve, but it is the only rational one to even attempt. And the idea that anyone who doesn't like something should just run to WikiLeaks and blab about it is scary as hell. Whistleblowing is supposed to be for things that are clearly illegal, not just for things with which someone disagrees. This latest dump doesn't contain any evidence that this stuff was used against American citizens without court authorization. The files in question -- which obviously weren't doctored by the CIA since they had no idea those documents were going to be leaked -- expressly concerned foreign intelligence gathering.

This dump is dangerous.

I think perhaps you meant PFC Manning?

Correct. My mistake.

 

[Man Called X]

This is fucking hilarious.

Gov't is hacking everyone and everything.

The real problem. "Those god damn whistleblowers!"

They should follow the chain of command so it can be covered up at the first instance it would hurt our precious gov't.

More whistleblowers.

More leaks.


Makes me wish I had leaked everything I had access to in my time.