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Blame whoever you want to blame, but Gilbert has been an owner for 5 seasons without LeBron James and the Cavs records in those seasons is 119-278.

You can look at this in vacuum or input the Lebron effect and what he demands and how he leave a franchise.

I’ll take Dan as an owner 10/10 times.
 
Tribe is now 10 games behind the Twins and falling.

There are too many players on the roster who are mediocre on the high side.
No guys with serious power or high OBP in the lineup or on the bench. I leave
Lindor and Santana out of the muck.

The team is playing poor fundamental baseball that appears to be sucking the
life from the season before the All-Star break. Where is the silver lining that
will keep fans from jumping ship?

Spring is a time for hope and renewal but it's hard to see it with this team. Even
Manning and Underwood are calling out players for their level of play and approach.

Klubers' injury and Bauers' performance have certainly driven down their market
value from the past off season, when the front office didn't think they could
get back the right value in return. So... now?

A few team stats, MLB rankings for Tribe/Twins:

Runs
Tribe 26th(198) Twins 1st(315)

HRs
Tribe 26th(54) Twins 1st(104)

SLG
Tribe 29th( .359) Twins 1st(.518)

ERA
Tribe 6th (3.75) Twins 5th(3.70)

9 of the next 13 games vs Red Sox, Twins and Yankees.

52 games spent, almost 1/3 of the season. As Yogi said, 'It gets dark
early out there.'

Time for something to bring on the good mojo.

Go Tribe.
 
Jim Ingraham
Commentary: There's no 'enjoy' in Cleveland with Mighty Lindor on the way out
Jim Ingraham | The Chronicle-Telegram
Published on May 26, 2019 | Updated 12:56 p. m.
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    Cleveland Indians shortstop Francisco Lindor drives in a run with a single in the fifth inning against the Baltimore Orioles this season. If the Indians aren't going to make their best effort to try to win while they have the All-Star, Chronicle-Telegram columnist Jim Ingraham thinks it might be time to trade him to make sure they don't get left with nothing when he leaves.


“Enjoy him.”

That was the best Indians owner Paul Dolan could do for Indians fans nervous about the long-term future of Francisco Lindor in Cleveland.

“Enjoy him.”

That came after a winter of payroll slashing by the Indians, the results of which are now on gruesome display on a nightly basis, as the offensively handicapped local nine plays game after excruciating game of first-one-to-three wins.

“Enjoy him?”

Really?

It almost felt like unintentional fan taunting, because everyone knows that when Lindor becomes a free agent after the 2021 season, he will sign with the highest bidder, which obviously will not be the team that drafted him, signed him, developed him, but won’t cash in on Lindor’s prime years, which will be played for and enjoyed by those elsewhere.

“Enjoy him.”

It would be a lot easier to do that had the apparently still-underfinanced Indians ownership not gutted the lineup during the offseason, leaving Lindor, and almost Lindor alone, responsible for getting all the big hits necessary to give the team a chance to win a championship.

The deeper into the season the Indians get, the dopier the decision to slash payroll by gutting the lineup looks. Even though the team took a Houston haymaker in the Division Series last fall, getting bum-rushed out of the postseason in three games, given the talent still on the roster, and, ownership surely knew, the unlikelihood of keeping it together indefinitely, this was the time to hit the gas, not slam on the competitive brakes.

But there they are: the telltale skid marks that are trailing the discount Indians through the first two months of this ponderous season. It’s a season that history will likely look upon as one in which the team’s championship window was prematurely and ingloriously shut by ownership.

“Enjoy him?”

It’s never a good time to slam shut the window of opportunity, much less to do so when a loaded roster is built around a potential Hall of Fame shortstop, whose presence in the city that hatched his history-making career has a very definite — and fast-approaching — shelf life.

Lindor nearing the finish line in Cleveland is not the time to throttle down. It’s the time to intensify the quest, or, at the very least, to maintain the quest.

It most certainly is not the time to abandon the quest, which is what ownership effectively did by cutting the lineup out from under the best leadoff hitter in the game, and the best all-around shortstop the Indians have had since player-manager Lou Boudreau shortstopped and managed the Indians to their last World Series title 70 years ago.

“Enjoy him?”

Hardly.

More like lament him for the woeful supporting cast with whom he’s trudging through his twilight years — or year — in Cleveland. Him, who could potentially be, with more formidable accomplices, a hero to millions of World Series-starved fans. Lament him, who even if he entertained a shred of hope that he could play his whole career, or at least all of the still-to-come peak years of it, in Cleveland, can see the handwriting on the wall.

So much so that the question must now be asked: Since the earnest pursuit of a championship has been abandoned — history gives us no examples of a team downsizing its way to a World Series parade — at what point do the Indians open the Lindor auction in order to recoup value for a generational talent that any team would love to have, and, one way or another, one soon will?

The longer the Indians wait to trade him, the less they can expect to get in return. Put another way: If the Indians aren’t going to use Lindor to seriously pursue a championship, there are plenty of other teams out there that will, and they are willing to pay handsomely for the chance.

It is into this corner that the Indians have painted themselves. There is simply not enough offense on this team to catch the prodigious slugging of the Minnesota Twins, much less make a deep run into the postseason.

So the Indians have two options. They can keep Lindor until he leaves as a free agent, and get nothing in return, a la Michael Brantley, or they can trade him.

Trading Lindor now would give the acquiring team 2½ years of a potential Hall of Fame shortstop. The going rate for that should be the top two position player prospects, or two major league-ready impact bats from any organization, with some additional sugar thrown into the deal as well.

Keeping Lindor under false pretenses — that the Indians are going all out to win the World Series — benefits nobody.

For a lot of reasons, this was the year ownership should have stayed the course and swung for the fences one final time. Ownership chose not to do so.

Enjoy ownership.
 
Wtf is the Chronicle telegram? Some local paper in Elyria?

This is one of the least professional articles I've seen. It's a joke that you'd bother to repost it here.
 
From Ingraham on himself:

I have written about Cleveland sports for so long I actually remember when the Browns almost went to the Super Bowl (I said almost!). I spent most of the last 30 years as a Cleveland Indians beat writer. I am chairman of the Cleveland chapter of the Baseball Writers Association of America, and a Hall of Fame voter, the Cleveland correspondent for Baseball America, as well as The Sports Xchange, and you can read my columns in the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram at chroniclet.com/jim-ingraham and the Medina Gazette. Email me at jingraham4@gmail.com and follow me on Twitter @Jim_Ingraham
 
Remember when everything was alright regarding the Tribe's off-season, Dolans cutting costs, etc, all because we played in the central division? 10 games back, Twins having a season of the ages.

Everything was alright back then. Now it's "well this is the life of a small market baseball team".

It's also crazy how it went from depending on Cavs/Indians to deliver. Now we're depending on the Browns.
 
Remember when everything was alright regarding the Tribe's off-season, Dolans cutting costs, etc, all because we played in the central division? 10 games back, Twins having a season of the ages.

Everything was alright back then. Now it's "well this is the life of a small market baseball team".

It's also crazy how it went from depending on Cavs/Indians to deliver. Now we're depending on the Browns.

Was it?

I know I was very pissed with the way the Indians handled the offseason. I cannot think of a single person who thought they had a good offseason.
 
Was it?

I know I was very pissed with the way the Indians handled the offseason. I cannot think of a single person who thought they had a good offseason.
There was people sugar coating. There's always those, whether on here or out there. I read it. People had us locked in winning the division and using the 'just get in' mantra.

Twins spoiled the Dolan's/Management's plans. Tito is left with trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, credit to @Juice Is Loose for that one.
 
We have always been a second half team, but we really need to help change the culture right now in a sense. Trading Bauer is the opposite of what we need to do. The FO needs to buy smartly and upgrade this roster asap. I think that faith in them would at least give the team a jolt of morale.
 
There was people sugar coating. There's always those, whether on here or out there. I read it. People had us locked in winning the division and using the 'just get in' mantra.

Twins spoiled the Dolan's/Management's plans. Tito is left with trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, credit to @Juice Is Loose for that one.

I was one of those people. In baseball, if you get into the playoffs, you have a legit shot.

I didn't see the Twins coming. I'm not sure anyone thought they'd be this good.
 
Jim Ingraham
Commentary: There's no 'enjoy' in Cleveland with Mighty Lindor on the way out
Jim Ingraham | The Chronicle-Telegram
Published on May 26, 2019 | Updated 12:56 p. m.
  • 24315474.jpg

    Cleveland Indians shortstop Francisco Lindor drives in a run with a single in the fifth inning against the Baltimore Orioles this season. If the Indians aren't going to make their best effort to try to win while they have the All-Star, Chronicle-Telegram columnist Jim Ingraham thinks it might be time to trade him to make sure they don't get left with nothing when he leaves.

“Enjoy him.”

That was the best Indians owner Paul Dolan could do for Indians fans nervous about the long-term future of Francisco Lindor in Cleveland.

“Enjoy him.”

That came after a winter of payroll slashing by the Indians, the results of which are now on gruesome display on a nightly basis, as the offensively handicapped local nine plays game after excruciating game of first-one-to-three wins.

“Enjoy him?”

Really?

It almost felt like unintentional fan taunting, because everyone knows that when Lindor becomes a free agent after the 2021 season, he will sign with the highest bidder, which obviously will not be the team that drafted him, signed him, developed him, but won’t cash in on Lindor’s prime years, which will be played for and enjoyed by those elsewhere.

“Enjoy him.”

It would be a lot easier to do that had the apparently still-underfinanced Indians ownership not gutted the lineup during the offseason, leaving Lindor, and almost Lindor alone, responsible for getting all the big hits necessary to give the team a chance to win a championship.

The deeper into the season the Indians get, the dopier the decision to slash payroll by gutting the lineup looks. Even though the team took a Houston haymaker in the Division Series last fall, getting bum-rushed out of the postseason in three games, given the talent still on the roster, and, ownership surely knew, the unlikelihood of keeping it together indefinitely, this was the time to hit the gas, not slam on the competitive brakes.

But there they are: the telltale skid marks that are trailing the discount Indians through the first two months of this ponderous season. It’s a season that history will likely look upon as one in which the team’s championship window was prematurely and ingloriously shut by ownership.

“Enjoy him?”

It’s never a good time to slam shut the window of opportunity, much less to do so when a loaded roster is built around a potential Hall of Fame shortstop, whose presence in the city that hatched his history-making career has a very definite — and fast-approaching — shelf life.

Lindor nearing the finish line in Cleveland is not the time to throttle down. It’s the time to intensify the quest, or, at the very least, to maintain the quest.

It most certainly is not the time to abandon the quest, which is what ownership effectively did by cutting the lineup out from under the best leadoff hitter in the game, and the best all-around shortstop the Indians have had since player-manager Lou Boudreau shortstopped and managed the Indians to their last World Series title 70 years ago.

“Enjoy him?”

Hardly.

More like lament him for the woeful supporting cast with whom he’s trudging through his twilight years — or year — in Cleveland. Him, who could potentially be, with more formidable accomplices, a hero to millions of World Series-starved fans. Lament him, who even if he entertained a shred of hope that he could play his whole career, or at least all of the still-to-come peak years of it, in Cleveland, can see the handwriting on the wall.

So much so that the question must now be asked: Since the earnest pursuit of a championship has been abandoned — history gives us no examples of a team downsizing its way to a World Series parade — at what point do the Indians open the Lindor auction in order to recoup value for a generational talent that any team would love to have, and, one way or another, one soon will?

The longer the Indians wait to trade him, the less they can expect to get in return. Put another way: If the Indians aren’t going to use Lindor to seriously pursue a championship, there are plenty of other teams out there that will, and they are willing to pay handsomely for the chance.

It is into this corner that the Indians have painted themselves. There is simply not enough offense on this team to catch the prodigious slugging of the Minnesota Twins, much less make a deep run into the postseason.

So the Indians have two options. They can keep Lindor until he leaves as a free agent, and get nothing in return, a la Michael Brantley, or they can trade him.

Trading Lindor now would give the acquiring team 2½ years of a potential Hall of Fame shortstop. The going rate for that should be the top two position player prospects, or two major league-ready impact bats from any organization, with some additional sugar thrown into the deal as well.

Keeping Lindor under false pretenses — that the Indians are going all out to win the World Series — benefits nobody.

For a lot of reasons, this was the year ownership should have stayed the course and swung for the fences one final time. Ownership chose not to do so.

Enjoy ownership.

So Ingraham:

- Used an out-of-context Dolan quote as the theme of his article.

- Compared losing Lindor to losing Brantley

- Says ownership should trade Lindor
 
I was one of those people. In baseball, if you get into the playoffs, you have a legit shot.

I didn't see the Twins coming. I'm not sure anyone thought they'd be this good.

I think anyone with any solid baseball knowledge said to not over look the Twins, but we never expected to be this this bad at the plate and lose 2 starting pitchers so early in the season and the Twins pretty much be top 5 in baseball in a lot of categories. We are better than we have been and they are over achieving, but the team still needs to do what they need to do and they haven't been doing that.
 
Lineup loss is mostly limited to Brantley. Alonso has been terrible as has Gomes, Chisenhall hasn't played an inning and Santana/EE is a wash. Diaz is a loss but he didn't play much last year and Luplow has picked much of that difference when he's played. Biggest differences IMO are: loss of Brantley, JRam sucking, Martin returning to normal form, and Lindor missing a month. Plus Kipnis hasn't gotten hot as he did in the second half last year. But if we had kept Gomes, EE, Alonso and Chisenhall, while losing Brantley (and not adding Carlos, Luplow or Bauers), we wouldn't be much better than we are now offensively. So Ingraham's argument seems to boil down to: they should have kept Brantley. Well, duh.
 

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