2014 NFL Draft Thread

AZ_ said:

Which makes his value significantly less than what it should be. To say nothing of investing a ridiculous amount of money into a position historically available through the secondary rounds.

The offense looks just as scary with Gordon, Cameron and Beckham/Cooks/Matthews as a secondary receiver than it does with Watkins, who will receive less targets and opportunity because he's a secondary option.

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So your saying we don't need a good # 2 starter to make the playoffs and or go further? ok ill agree with you as far as Beckham/Cooks/Mathews...If Watkins is as good as I think no way Defenses could cover our passing game...I want this team to be exciting to watch for once...

D-WAIT3 said:

So your saying we don't need a good # 2 starter to make the playoffs and or go further? ok ill agree with you as far as Beckham/Cooks/Mathews...If Watkins is as good as I think no way Defenses could cover our passing game...I want this team to be exciting to watch for once...

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It's absolutely a need. But no that is not separating this team from a playoff berth or going further. Seattle has a somewhat mediocre to sub par group of receivers, so does San Franciso, New England, Baltimore, Kansas City, Indy. It doesn't seem to prohibit them.

It's secondary need and not nearly as important as continuing to improve in the defensive front seven or at quarterback.

They'll absolutely be able to stop the passing attack, and will continue to do so right up until the Browns find a capable quarterback who can spread the football around.

The one thing about Watkins is he gained many yards from screen passes. Just look at the OSU game, how many screens did he bust open for big gains. NFL defenses will catch on to that and is he a complete receiver as people say? Not sure. He has the speed and size but is everything else there for him to succeed.

AZ_ said:

It's absolutely a need.

A secondary need and not nearly as important as continuing to improve in the defensive front seven or at quarterback.

They'll absolutely be able to stop the passing attack, and will continue to do so right up until the Browns find a capable quarterback who can spread the football around.

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Then you have to take Bortles.

D-WAIT3 said:

Then you have to take Bortles.

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Thatta boy!

AZ_ said:

Thatta boy!

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We just can't fuck this draft up so much cap space and so many high picks we haven't been in this situation as far as being closer to a winner then we are right now since we've been back...

Unforuntately none of the top players match up with the Browns needs this year..

It's either a RT in Robinson..

A #2 WR in Watkins..

A rotational DE in Clowney...

Or, depending which way you look at it, moving a OLB inside or drafting ANOTHER OLB in Mack...

So outside of QB, there isn't a player that truly fits a need for the Browns.. It's all a wash when looking at what's more important: a #2 WR vs. a RT (when the Browns have one) to a DE (when the Browns have two) or a OLB (when the Browns have two)...

So with that, you take the BPA...

Watkins is definitely one of the best WRs with his hands, toughness, speed and catching ability.. He's would really work well with this offense because of what Gordon opens up over the top... Having Gordon blowing the top off defenses, Cameron working the middle and Watkins working beneath, this passing offense would be hard to stop..

Watkins has his some question marks but is the best WR prospect to come out since AJ Green one of the best WR prospects in the past 5 years... He would make this offense extremely good and hard to stop... There's also the insurance policy for Gordon, who looks to be clean, but you never know...

Watkins is best player and fills a larger need, thus why I will be campaigning for him and think he'll be the pick, outside of the QBs...

I'm not on board with taking a RT in the top-5, don't like Clowney and not sure Mack fits inside...

Im with you Smooth... I hope the Browns plans for the offense involve a running back by committee and a franchise talent at QB. I think that is the new recipe for success in the NFL. In order to tale pressure off Gordon and Cameron, you need real offensive weapons spreading out the defense and pushing back the safeties. Watkins achieves that while leaving later picks open for filling running back needs.

Randolphkeys said:

Im with you Smooth... I hope the Browns plans for the offense involve a running back by committee and a franchise talent at QB. I think that is the new recipe for success in the NFL. In order to tale pressure off Gordon and Cameron, you need real offensive weapons spreading out the defense and pushing back the safeties. Watkins achieves that while leaving later picks open for filling running back needs.

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Of course, so does Cooks, Beckham, Matthews, etc.

They just provide more value from a draft perspective.

And again, tying up major money in two wide receivers is not something many (or any) teams do over the long-term. And long-term value is exactly what the top five picks should be about.

Smooth said:

Watkins is definitely one of the best WRs with his hands, toughness, speed and catching ability.. He's would really work well with this offense because of what Gordon opens up over the top... Having Gordon blowing the top off defenses, Cameron working the middle and Watkins working beneath, this passing offense would be hard to stop..

Watkins has his some question marks but is the best WR prospect to come out since AJ Green one of the best WR prospects in the past 5 years... He would make this offense extremely good and hard to stop... There's also the insurance policy for Gordon, who looks to be clean, but you never know...

Watkins is best player and fills a larger need, thus why I will be campaigning for him and think he'll be the pick, outside of the QBs...

I'm not on board with taking a RT in the top-5, don't like Clowney and not sure Mack fits inside...

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Watkins may be the best receiver since AJ Green, which is certainly debatable in itself, but that doesn't mean that he's got the size/speed/body control that makes AJ Green elite.

It's unfair to put that expectation on Watkins, as they aren't the same type of player.

Green/CJ are freakishly large and athletic wide receivers. Watkins doesn't really fit that mold, the more appropriate comparison is Justin Blackmon.

Unless that receiver is in the freak category of Green or CJ, then the value just doesn't make much sense for a team which already has a potential freak in Gordon.

If Watkins is the only guy available, they'd be much wiser to trade down.

Im with smooth as well. Having 2 elite level wr takes the pressure off the QB and puts whoever you have throwing the ball in a position to succeed easier. Plus it adds insurance in case Gordon messes up again.

I don't see the love for Cooks. He may be a better receiver but what does he bring to the table that's light years ahead of what Travis Benjamin can?

I'd also love to see them get an over the middle sure handed guy like Landry in the 2nd-3rd round. Gordon/Watkins/Landry/Cameron would be a helluva bunch.

Phills14 said:

Im with smooth as well. Having 2 elite level wr takes the pressure off the QB and puts whoever you have throwing the ball in a position to succeed easier. Plus it adds insurance in case Gordon messes up again.

I don't see the love for Cooks. He may be a better receiver but what does he bring to the table that's light years ahead of what Travis Benjamin can?

I'd also love to see them get an over the middle sure handed guy like Landry in the 2nd-3rd round. Gordon/Watkins/Landry/Cameron would be a helluva bunch.

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The bold is exactly what Cooks brings, along with elite level speed and better route running.

You can draft all the receivers you want to, but you can only invest X amount into the position while at the same time needing a competent QB to spread the ball around.

There's a reason you don't see many successful teams load up at WR while having noone to throw them the ball.


I'd hope the Browns are smarter than that...quite frankly.

Enough is enough, go get the best QB prospect you can.

AZ_ said:

If Watkins is the only guy available, they'd be much wiser to trade down.

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The decibel level in Ohio will probably cause an earthquake if we trade down.

If both BWater/Bortles are taken, it would just be so hard to pass on Watkins. Gordon is our main guy, no doubt about that. Cameron gobbling up a bunch of targets as well (they better utilize him better this year. Annoyed me how they started to only 'use' him in garbage time) but Watkins would definitely see his fair share of targets.

None of this happens though unless we get a quality RB. We need to have at least a decent threat to run the ball or once again we will just be swarmed.

SixPACK said:

The decibel level in Ohio will probably cause an earthquake if we trade down.

If both BWater/Bortles are taken, it would just be so hard to pass on Watkins. Gordon is our main guy, no doubt about that. Cameron gobbling up a bunch of targets as well (they better utilize him better this year. Annoyed me how they started to only 'use' him in garbage time) but Watkins would definitely see his fair share of targets.

None of this happens though unless we get a quality RB. We need to have at least a decent threat to run the ball or once again we will just be swarmed.

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Ehh...Fuck em'. I'm not sure why they'd be crying over the loss of a potential complimentary receiver.

If Watkins were so vastly superior to mid-first/early second round guys physically like Green and CJ were I'd agree that the value becomes just too much to ignore.

But that's not the case here, IMO.

Honestly, they could trade back and potentially still get Watkins in the 8-12 range if the chips fall correctly.

See AZ I'm not the only one that wants Watkins :yay::boxer: