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Rich said:
LIke even in the 6 Finals games that Tornicade decided to use to prove his point that Tristan is just as good as Draymond (which is really silly to use 6 games, but whatever), I still see Green being the better player. You see the type of versatility Green brings that Thompson doesn't in those statistics. In two games, Green got 6 assists. In one game he had 5 steals and in another he had 4 blocks.
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i would say TT is better in one area and that's rebounding (that's quite valuable). Green is a better defender imo and that's no knock on TT, Green was a legit DPoY candidate last year (TT isn't quite that good yet).
on offense they are in different stratospheres when it comes to skill set and versatility (as you mentioned). TT is a good pick&roll partner (he might even be better in that area than Draymond although overall it's probably easier to defend TT in pick&roll situations because unlike with Draymond there's no pick&pop threat with TT) but he plays more like a center on that end. Green on the other hand is one of the best passing bigs in the league, can take his man off the dribble, can hit open 3s etc.

edit: TT is a year younger so that's another thing he has going for him.
 
You really don't have to try to over analyze TT with Green.
It's been done in here enough.
TT lacks a offensive game. He doesn't have a jumper,which he really should have . No jump hook..nothing.He looks awakward and off balance when he tries to make a offensive move inside and doesn't always seem to go up strong from that move.
On rebounds and putbacks he's fine.
Defense.
We know how he reacts to the pick n roll.
But his weakness is having to guard other PF/C's who have a offensive game.
I can't help but feel when I watch him he's not the type of PF I am enamoured with.
But he's here and he's a good solid player and he brings a lot to the table.
It's the paradox that TT game works for the Cavs just like Andy's game does but it's a role players game ..because the person in front of both has offensive options that are better.

But I won't compare him to Green as they are two different types of players but neither is worth the huge $$$$$$$$ they will get.
 
Once TT starts hitting a consistent jumpshot then Mayyyyybe you can start talking about him potentially even being in Draymond Green's same league, as far as skill-set.

This argument basically ended as soon as Green hit his first three pointer of last season....
 
[QUOTE="Drifter, post: 2228283, member: 12856"]Griffin wasn't the GM when the Varejao extension was done. And a watershed moment could turn into his waterloo moment if he stubbornly accepts an impasse and Tristan walks. The Cavs do not have the assets to go get an impact caliber 24-yr to replace him.
He walks, it is a straight downgrade in the depth of the roster.[/QUOTE]

Griffin absolutely was the GM when the Varejao extension was done.

Who else would it be that did it?
 
Simon said:
Griffin absolutely was the GM when the Varejao extension was done.

Who else would it be that did it?
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If you remember correctly, Ferry flew in to town and was sitting on Griffin's hands to prevent Griffin to stop the signing.

SO really that extension is Ferry's fault even though Griffin was GM.
 
Kbiz8288 said:
Once TT starts hitting a consistent jumpshot then Mayyyyybe you can start talking about him potentially even being in Draymond Green's same league, as far as skill-set.

This argument basically ended as soon as Green hit his first three pointer of last season....
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that'll probably never happen. to me where he can (realistically) improve is defense, he has made some strides in that area last year but he could become even better. he has the potential (size, mobility, athleticism, strength...) to become an elite defender (i don't think he'll ever win a DPoY award because he'll never average enough blocks but his goal should be to be in that conversation every year). on offense free-throw shooting, finishing around the rim, footwork, floaters etc. are things he should work on...
 
Can we please stop:

1) Calling TT a 'star'. He is not a star, he's a role player. His only elite skill at this point is offensive rebounding. As others have said above he is not really an elite defender at this point, and let's not get started on his offensive game.

2) Comparing TT to 7 footers. TT is not 7 feet tall, or even close to 7 feet tall. He will never be 7 feet tall. He is only a center in temporary change of pace small-ball lineups. He is not a true NBA center, so the scarcity of true NBA centers does not mean that he should be paid more.

Thank you.
 
Offer Tristan a 5 yr deal. He has to shoot 10 free throws. For everyone he makes we give him 10 mil towards the contract.
 
I could find it. But, Steph does that to everyone. The best example of TT on the perimeter was that early game against the Raptors last year. Switched onto Kyle Lowry and then forced him into a bad shot that hit the top of the backboard. Cavs won.

spydy13 said:
Is there anywhere to find what the opponent's fg% against TT on the perimeter, because I know he does a good job of sliding his feet and keeping guys in front of him but it seemed like guys (Steph) were able to shoot over him pretty easily?
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Chopz said:
I could find it. But, Steph does that to everyone. The best example of TT on the perimeter was that early game against the Raptors last year. Switched onto Kyle Lowry and then forced him into a bad shot that hit the top of the backboard. Cavs won.
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I remember that play, it was really impressive. But each player makes thousands a plays a season + playoffs. Can't judge by just one. Tristan was pretty good switched on to guards last season, but not always shut down good.

In answer to Spydy13's question, opponents shot 40.5% against TT when shooting outside of 15 feet, including 32.9% on 3 pointers. The outside of 15 feet percentage was a few percentage points higher than would be expected based on who he was guarding, but the 3 point percentage was about 1% lower.
 
Chopz said:
I could find it. But, Steph does that to everyone. The best example of TT on the perimeter was that early game against the Raptors last year. Switched onto Kyle Lowry and then forced him into a bad shot that hit the top of the backboard. Cavs won.
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Thanks, but the average would help give a better idea of his abilities since those guys are on the opposite ends of the scales as far as shooters go.
 
Chopz said:
I could find it. But, Steph does that to everyone. The best example of TT on the perimeter was that early game against the Raptors last year. Switched onto Kyle Lowry and then forced him into a bad shot that hit the top of the backboard. Cavs won.
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was not so lucky against DRose in game 3.
 
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