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My dream scenario is: Rudy Gay

My more realistic and acceptable ones: Sefolosha, Tucker, and Jared Dudley.

I'd really love Jared Dudley, personally. He'd really fit against GS perfectly, given his ability to shoot.

I'm definitely NOT against Sefolosha at all, but my only concern with him is would he be an offensive liability? That's why I'd personally prefer a Dudley, although not the defender, but a hell of a lot more dangerous as an outside shooter than can really make GS pay.
 
jking948 said:
If we could get Barbosa + Dudley or Tucker I would be ecstatic. If we could get all three for no main contributors I would be in nirvana.
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Bingo!

TyGuy said:
I don't know, Barbosa isn't a point guard, his offense is pretty average and his defense sucks. Dudley would be yet another great addition for playing alongside LeBron, but I think we have enough of those guys. The guy can really shoot it and historically his defense has been pretty neutral. Tucker provides good, but not great d in a bigger wing with negative level offense.

A guy I really have my eye on is Thabo Sefolosha. He's still one of the very best wing defenders in the NBA still and provides enough offense to not be a negative on that end. I think he can be a factor both with LeBron on and off the court. He's also making chump change at 4 mill so he would fit under the TPE. Getting the team to be more productive when LeBron sits would be a huge deal for us. It allows us to buy him crucial rest in the playoffs without fear of the lead evaporating or digging a deeper hole.

If I had my druthers I would acquire Thabo (who is a free agent) from the sliding hawks who need to make a decision on their future. I would then look to add a backup point-guard from the scrap heap(hopefully Chalmers if he becomes healthy).

Those two acquisitions I believe would give us a huge boost.

This team doesn't struggle to score as much as it struggles to get stops when LeBron sits. We need a defensive wing badly.
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I get that, but as @jking948 mentions. This would make too much sense. Everyone is concern about our depth right now, and rightfully so. The point is Barborsa can play quality minutes at least. He probably wouldn't play in the playoff rotation.

But if we can add quality depth, and save extra minutes for LeBron, Kyrie, and Love in the regular season without compromising wins too much, we should be looking to do that. It's not just position by position. We lack good enough player at the end of our bench. We are starting a D league player. Whom I think isn't bad, but should be the 9th man at best.

I'd give them Cedi and be all in. I know some are concern about the lack of youth, but LeBron is our window. I rather be able to win 2-3 more championships, than just be good longer going forward, but maybe missing our title mark because we didn't have enough to get over the hump.
 
godfather said:
Bingo!



I get that, but as @jking948 mentions. This would make too much sense. Everyone is concern about our depth right now, and rightfully so. The point is Barborsa can play quality minutes at least. He probably wouldn't play in the playoff rotation.

But if we can add quality depth, and save extra minutes for LeBron, Kyrie, and Love, we should be looking to do that. It's not just position by position.

I'd give them Cedi and be all in. I know some are concern about the lack of youth, but LeBron is our window. I rather be able to win 2-3 more championships, than just be good longer going forward, but maybe missing our title mark because we didn't have enough to get over the hump.
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Barbosa is a net negative, sure he can soak up minutes, but we can find a buyout guys to do that as well. Tucker and Dudley are decent additions. Thabo would be an amazing addition. If we couldn't get Thabo then I would do this deal if better ones weren't available.
 
TyGuy said:
Barbosa is a net negative, sure he can soak up minutes, but we can find a buyout guys to do that as well. Tucker and Dudley are decent additions. Thabo would be an amazing addition. If we couldn't get Thabo then I would do this deal if better ones weren't available.
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The guy is shooting 42% from three. Granted, he's not taking a lot of threes. Do you not think a guy like that wouldn't benefit playing off LeBron, Kyrie, and Love?

Can he be any worse than McRae or Kay, whom at times we're stuck giving minutes too, and contribute absolutely nothing?

If we end up getting Tucker, or Dudley. Love, TT, Tucker/Dudley, Shump, Kyrie, LeBron, Liggins, Frye, Jefferson, and then Barbosa. That's at least 10 guys in that you can count on to play. Barbosa wouldn't get a ton of burn. He'd probably play strictly when Kyrie rests, and LeBron is with the second unit.

It should be concerning we are a Shumpert or Irving injury away having to rely on Kay or McRae. Both have had a history of getting injured too.
 
godfather said:
The guy is shooting 42% from three. Granted, he's not taking a lot of threes. Do you not think a guy like that wouldn't benefit playing off LeBron, Kyrie, and Love?

Can he be any worse than McRae or Kay, whom at times we're stuck giving minutes too, and contribute absolutely nothing?

If we end up getting Tucker, or Dudley. Love, TT, Tucker/Dudley, Shump, Kyrie, LeBron, Liggins, Frye, Jefferson, and then Barbosa. That's at least 10 guys in that you can count on to play. Barbosa wouldn't get a ton of burn. He'd probably play strictly when Kyrie rests, and LeBron is with the second unit.

It should be concerning we are a Shumpert or Irving injury away having to rely on Kay or McRae. Both have had a history of getting injured too.
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It seems hit or miss with barbosa. When his offense shows up he's a positive contributor; when it doesn't he's a liability.

I don't hate this deal. I just think Thabo is a Homerun thus I prefer any deal that gets us the better player/fit.
 
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In a theoretical deal for Thabo, I wonder if we could get Korver too? Probably asking too much, but both are expiring and Hawks are still a middling team. If we throw in Cedi and a 1st (with Dunleavy, Mo, and Bird) while helping them clear cap space and give them value for free agents they may not want to pay, it isn't the worst deal. Would it be worth it for us though? Give up basically all our assets for possible rentals.

The main reason I bring it up is because Korver would thrive next to LeBron big time, and I'm not sure how good JR will be when he comes back. JR started out rough after missing training camp and now he will be that much farther behind. And with the inconsistency of Liggins and Shump, I think we could use another 2 guard. One way or another, I think we need two combo guard/forward types added to the roster.
 
Walter White said:
In a theoretical deal for Thabo, I wonder if we could get Korver too? Probably asking too much, but both are expiring and Hawks are still a middling team. If we throw in Cedi and a 1st (with Dunleavy, Mo, and Bird) while helping them clear cap space and give them value for free agents they may not want to pay, it isn't the worst deal. Would it be worth it for us though? Give up basically all our assets for possible rentals.

The main reason I bring it up is because Korver would thrive next to LeBron big time, and I'm not sure how good JR will be when he comes back. JR started out rough after missing training camp and now he will be that much farther behind. And with the inconsistency of Liggins and Shump, I think we could use another 2 guard. One way or another, I think we need two combo guard/forward types added to the roster.
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I mean yeah, I'd love to bring him in too. I'd still give up all of our assets for Thabo alone however. Korver isn't a negative on defense, but his shooting has slipped. I'd imagine he would regain some of that form with LeBron.

I don't think anybody could beat us if we remained healthy and added those two guys.
 
TyGuy said:
It seems hit or miss with barbosa. When his offense shows up he's a positive contributor; when it doesn't he's a liability.

I don't hate this deal. I just think Thabo is a Homerun thus I prefer any deal that gets us the better player/fit.
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I don't think Barbosa is awesome for the record. Obviously the deal has to involve Tucker or Dudley, or both, otherwise I'd have no interest.

I do like Thabo though. I think we badly need a better wing defender, so I understand why you'd want him. Maybe another offensive threat isn't as needed. I like Dudley a lot personally. I rather have Thab over Tucker.

I think Thab can defend Durant too. Not against either deal. If we can get either one of those three I'll take it. Barbosa just might make it worth it more in the Suns deal given we can at least beef up our lack of depth more.
 
godfather said:
I don't think Barbosa is awesome for the record. Obviously the deal has to involve Tucker or Dudley, or both, otherwise I'd have no interest.

I do like Thabo though. I think we badly need a better wing defender, so I understand why you'd want him. Maybe another offensive threat isn't as needed. I like Dudley a lot personally. I rather have Thab over Tucker.

I think Thab can defend Durant too. Not against either deal. If we can get either one of those three I'll take it. Barbosa just might make it worth it more in the Suns deal given we can at least beef up our lack of depth more.
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I don't think Barbosa is enough for me to prefer the suns deal. History tells us he is very inconsistent. I think we can pick someone up before the deadline with an open roster spot that can soak up minutes at PG.
 
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Barring buyouts I think it's gonna be hard to trade for a solid PG. I'd probably look at underachieving players if we have to deem that the backup PG position is one that purely is for Kyrie Irving relief.
 
godfather said:
I do like Thabo though. I think we badly need a better wing defender, so I understand why you'd want him. Maybe another offensive threat isn't as needed. I like Dudley a lot personally. I rather have Thab over Tucker.
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I'd prefer Dudley ideally. But Tucker is more versatile and specific to our needs. He has guarded and shut down players like Anthony Davis and Carmelo Anthony. He'd be perfect switching with LeBron. Tucker could switch onto KD and be OK. Tucker could also switch onto Draymond and also be OK. I wouldn't trust Thabo switching in those situations.
 
Jscc said:
I'd prefer Dudley ideally. But Tucker is more versatile and specific to our needs. He has guarded and shut down players like Anthony Davis and Carmelo Anthony. He'd be perfect switching with LeBron. Tucker could switch onto KD and be OK. Tucker could also switch onto Draymond and also be OK. I wouldn't trust Thabo switching in those situations.
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Thabo is 6-7 and 220. Draymond is 6-7 and 230. I think in switches he could hold his own.

But Tucker would overall be more ideal in that situation, I agree.
 
Dudley is just not available imo. He is making 10 million, to big to fit under our TPO, and no reason for phoenix to take Shump for him, just is lateral move for both teams.

PJ Tucker seems most probable. Thabo is on a contender, and Atlanta has to think they are out of it to trade him, but if they become sellers at the trade deadline, then Thabo is possible too.

We really need a backup pg worse though and from hints we have been given, a backup pg is the most likely piece to add.
 
Lee said:
Dudley is just not available imo. He is making 10 million, to big to fit under our TPO, and no reason for phoenix to take Shump for him, just is lateral move for both teams.

PJ Tucker seems most probable. Thabo is on a contender, and Atlanta has to think they are out of it to trade him, but if they become sellers at the trade deadline, then Thabo is possible too.

We really need a backup pg worse though and from hints we have been given, a backup pg is the most likely piece to add.
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Atlanta is 15-16 right now. They could easily fall out of the playoff chase and trade him.

Right now they're technically the 6th seed. But the bottom of the East has been atrocious and so up in the air that the 12th seed at this moment has the identical amount of wins as Atlanta.
 
Lee said:
Dudley is just not available imo. He is making 10 million, to big to fit under our TPO, and no reason for phoenix to take Shump for him, just is lateral move for both teams.

PJ Tucker seems most probable. Thabo is on a contender, and Atlanta has to think they are out of it to trade him, but if they become sellers at the trade deadline, then Thabo is possible too.

We really need a backup pg worse though and from hints we have been given, a backup pg is the most likely piece to add.
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I agree that Dudley's likely not available and I wouldn't trade Shump for him.

Atlanta knows we're the road to the finals for the foreseeable future. They're building to beat us. Not sure they deal Thabo to us either way.
 
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