Trade Rumor(s)

Both Thabo and Tucker--defensive wings--are available for the right price... man. Get it done somehow Griffin. Just don't give up any of our current wings [including Shump] to do it.

I would prefer Tucker but i'd take Thabo too.

Then hopefully Felder develops into a backup PG/grab one from FA, everyone remains healthy, and we're set.

JMoneyYourHoney said:

And such a horrendous offensive one.

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Offense is not what we're lacking. Not sure what fans expect. We can't really be picky given the lack of options we have available to acquire talent. The only guys we can acquire are specialists.

Given our defense is still suspect, I rather get another wing defender like Thabo.

godfather said:

Offense is not what we're lacking. Not sure what fans expect. We can't really be picky given the lack of options we have available to acquire talent. The only guys we can acquire are specialists.

Given our defense is still suspect, I rather get another wing defender like Thabo.

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I agree that we have plenty of offense (for the most part) and are lacking in perimeter defenders...I'd be completely for a Thabo acquisition if it was feasible.

But when do you think you'll see that lineup on the floor? Certainly not in the playoffs. Defense is important but so is scoring, and that lineup would be practically allergic to it. That guy just went and cobbled together a lineup out of our would-be best defensive options, but no way would all 5 share the floor at the same time.

JMoneyYourHoney said:

I agree that we have plenty of offense (for the most part) and are lacking in perimeter defenders...I'd be completely for a Thabo acquisition if it was feasible.

But when do you think you'll see that lineup on the floor? Certainly not in the playoffs. Defense is important but so is scoring, and that lineup would be practically allergic to it. That guy just went and cobbled together a lineup out of our would-be best defensive options, but no way would all 5 share the floor at the same time.

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A line-up of Kyrie - JR/Shump - Thabo - LeBron - Love is perfect to deal against Golden State's so called "Death Lineup". Thabo basically replaces RJ in that role we have been using him. Obviously, RJ is better on the offense than Thabo but I am ok with giving away a bit of offense for what Thabo would bring to the table, which is a wing with length that can guard 1-5 of that Warriors' Death Lineup. And in that line-up specifically, offense won't be an issue.

The truth is, we need a wing that can deal with KD or Kawhi. Don't want LeBron guarding them major mins.

Also one more thing, one thing LeBron has done well throughout his career and @priceFTW would be able to elaborate is, surround him with good solid defender and he can drag you to wins. Add in one of Kyrie or Love to that team, if not both, that is one hell of a line-up. We took 2 games off Warriors with the likes of Delly, JR, Shump, TT and Moz playing major mins alongside LeBron. Defeated Hawks and Chicago with the same line-up.

My bad, @JMoneyYourHoney , just read the previous post. Yeah, that line-up is far from ideal but if we replace Shump with Kyrie, it would be very lethal.

Man, I really want us to get Thabo/PJ Tucker.

Would love Korver as well. Always liked him but he isn't a priority imo.

But add Thabo/PJ Tucker and I would be very confident of our chances of repeat.

Lyuokdea said:

No real opinion here -- but would people do Shump + Dunleavy for Thabo + Korver?

Cavs save money on the deal (probably 18M?), Thabo is a clear defensive upgrade on Shumpert, and historically about the same as a 3PT shooter (though Shump has taken steps forward this year). Korver is an upgrade over Dunleavy at this point in their careers.

Atlanta gets a player under a reasonable contract for the next two years, while we get older players on expiring contracts.

Could use the money we save on this deal to go out and get a PG or C.... e.g. a Salary dump of Deron Williams?

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Atlanta doesn't have cap space, so this trade doesn't work as presented. So if even if you want to ignore it not being possible from a mechanics standpoint, this is a complete bandaid when looking at personnel. Both Korver and Thabo have 1 year left. We'd be trading a useful young player on a really friendly deal (Shump) to theoretically save $5 million in the short term? I just don't see the upside there.

Thabo is 32 and Korver is 35. Trading a guy who's 26, has value and is on a cap friendly deal for two old guys is rather insane to me. I'm fine with trading Shump if there's something really useful out there, I just don't think it is Thabo / Korver.

Vardon is reporting that Osman could very possibly be dealt in the coming weeks. Personally I don't like the idea at all unless we are getting back a young-ish wing defender with length. Thabo at 32 would not be that guy.

Dealing Cedi for half a season of Thabo is a mistake, definitely.
Cavs are not going to re sign Thabo anyway, I'll be disappointed since i'm eagerly waiting to see him play next season.

I'd like to watch Cedi too -- but this team is trying to win this year. And, on paper at least, we are currently behind GSW. If we can get a piece that helps put us over the edge for the next year or two, then you have to make that move.

Lyuokdea said:

I'd like to watch Cedi too -- but this team is trying to win this year. And, on paper at least, we are currently behind GSW. If we can get a piece that helps put us over the edge for the next year or two, then you have to make that move.

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I still think Cavs can beat GSW. Thing is, even if the Cavs somehow lose to them in the finals, next year is the time to completely kill them. They are probably going to be a much weaker team since they have to pay Curry and Durant and they have to make some compromises in order to make the salary work.
Do we want to trade our depth for the next 3 years atleast? RJ isn't going to stick around, Dunleavy is done and Thabo isn't going to be re signed next year.
Cavs will have no depth at all if they make that move. I'll take Cedi or trade him and the other assets that the Cavs currently have for a player on a good long term deal.

It's time to also think of the near future and the Cavs will soon have no one to occupy the bench.

I know we have been discussing Thabo and Korver, but I wonder if you guys saw they are actually on the block per Windy:

"S‎ources told ESPN.com that the Hawks, fearful of losing Millsap in free agency in the summer without compensation, are not openly shopping him but taking calls on the 31-year-old and their other pending free agents, notably sharpshooter Kyle Korver and swingman Thabo Sefolosha."

I would love either one, but would really like to get both if possible. Both would thrive big time along side LeBron. With JR going down, I think Korver would be more useful than most would think.



In an ideal world, I think we trade for two wing/forward types along with perhaps acquiring a PG and/or center via free agency/buyout. Although at this point, I think we can live without picking up a PG or center. But if a good wing or forward becomes available at buyout, it is definitely worth pursuing, I just think it is more rare to happen.

Mo and Birdman have to be gone at some point. Waste of two roster spots, so that clears two open spots whether trade or cut. Dunleavy and Mcrae can also easily be traded as they are under performing.

So using any combo of those players along with our assets that include picks, Felder, Cedi, TPE, etc. to acquire two players along the lines of Thabo, Korver, or Tucker. And with the open spots, sign a PG and/or center. I think that would put us in an excellent position to repeat this year. Adding even one combo guard is probably enough if we also pick up a couple decent free agents, but I want to get a little greedy with JR down/inconsistent and Shump's inconsistency.

And I wouldn't be against trading Shump in the right deal, but he is playing well this year so there should not be much reason to trade him. Unless it nets us a very good player. But otherwise, I think we would be creating more problems by losing him at this point in time.

Sir'Dom Pointer said:

Dealing Cedi for half a season of Thabo is a mistake, definitely.
Cavs are not going to re sign Thabo anyway, I'll be disappointed since i'm eagerly waiting to see him play next season.

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Why do you say we wouldn't re-sign him?

One possible upside with Thabo deal is that his salary matches up with Birdman/Mo or McRae/Mo, so we could possible dump those salaries with Cedi or a pick and not increase the luxury tax bill

col63onel said:

Why do you say we wouldn't re-sign him?

One possible upside with Thabo deal is that his salary matches up with Birdman/Mo or McRae/Mo, so we could possible dump those salaries with Cedi or a pick and not increase the luxury tax bill

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Last big paycheck I guess.. he is going to get more than 15m a year. Do the Cavs have any 2nd round picks? a 1st is a big overpay..

Sir'Dom Pointer said:

Last big paycheck I guess.. he is going to get more than 15m a year. Do the Cavs have any 2nd round picks? a 1st is a big overpay..

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Cavs could trade their 2020 first right now, and no seconds to trade.

I balk at that 15 mil number. This isn't last season where everyone has space, and he'll be over 30. Not that many teams will have 15mil in space, and they aren't going to blow it all an Thabo.