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Cavs send Osman to Dallas, 2020 First to Atlanta.

Technically the trade gets partitioned into multiple trades, which allows us to use a trade exception on Deron Williams and get a partial trade exception back for Shumpert (which pushes the traded exception longevity into next year). I think it will only be partial, because Atlanta won't be able to take Shumpert for nothing due to their cap situation, and will have to send some money out -- but I'm not an expert.

Atlanta Gets a younger, low-cost piece in Shumpert to rebuild with. Their window is more 3-5 years down the road when Schroeder and Bazemore (+ whoever they get for Millsap) develop anyway. Thabo and Korver will leave after this year and they won't get anything in return, so this is good for them.

Dallas needs to tank this year, and Williams is good enough to win them a few games - but not good enough to get them out of the cellar. He is likely also gone after this year. A guy like Cedi makes sense for them to develop. Given Williams veteran status, I think they will send him to a contender -- they will cut Williams and Anderson, and still save some money on the deal.

Cavs get Thabo, who is a better defender than Shumpert, and more steady game to game.

Deron Williams is an excellent passer and big body who would match up well against Livingston (and Curry isn't super explosive, so he's a reasonable heady defender there as well). I like the way Felder is progressing (and am trying to save him in this trade), but I don't trust him to play finals minutes.

Korver is just an all-around better version of Dunleavy. He's still shooting 40% from 3PT this season, is an average defender, and is lethal off pick and rolls.

The danger for the Cavs is that this might mess up continuity - as there are a lot of new major pieces. Fortunately, these are all heady veterans, so they should integrate quickly. But even still, it's a better deal to pull off soon, rather than near the deadline.

I think after this season, we could resign at least 2 of Thabo/Williams/Korver, given that we will be saving some money on the Shumpert deal -- and the salary cap will rise. We would probably lose one of Thabo/Williams?
 
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Lyuokdea said:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zt96yrd

Cavs send Osman to Dallas, 2020 First to Atlanta.

Technically the trade gets partitioned into multiple trades, which allows us to use a trade exception on Deron Williams and get a partial trade exception back for Shumpert (which pushes the traded exception longevity into next year). I think it will only be partial, because Atlanta won't be able to take Shumpert for nothing due to their cap situation, and will have to send some money out -- but I'm not an expert.

Atlanta Gets a younger, low-cost piece in Shumpert to rebuild with. Their window is more 3-5 years down the road when Schroeder and Bazemore (+ whoever they get for Millsap) develop anyway. Thabo and Korver will leave after this year and they won't get anything in return, so this is good for them.

Dallas needs to tank this year, and Williams is good enough to win them a few games - but not good enough to get them out of the cellar. He is likely also gone after this year. A guy like Cedi makes sense for them to develop. Given Williams veteran status, I think they will send him to a contender -- they will cut Williams and Anderson, and still save some money on the deal.

Cavs get Thabo, who is a better defender than Shumpert, and more steady game to game.

Deron Williams is an excellent passer and big body who would match up well against Livingston (and Curry isn't super explosive, so he's a reasonable heady defender there as well). I like the way Felder is progressing (and am trying to save him in this trade), but I don't trust him to play finals minutes.

Korver is just an all-around better version of Dunleavy. He's still shooting 40% from 3PT this season, is an average defender, and is lethal off pick and rolls.

The danger for the Cavs is that this might mess up continuity - as there are a lot of new major pieces. Fortunately, these are all heady veterans, so they should integrate quickly. But even still, it's a better deal to pull off soon, rather than near the deadline.

I think after this season, we could resign at least 2 of Thabo/Williams/Korver, given that we will be saving some money on the Shumpert deal -- and the salary cap will rise. We would probably lose one of Thabo/Williams?
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I think trading Shump for this package is a huge mistake. Our team is already completely devoid of playmakers. Shumpert, while he gets bagged on around here, is still the best playmaker outside of LBJ / KI.

When you look at SportsVU, Iman is #1 on the team in player player points per drive (PPD) - 0.93. Additionally, he's #2 in team PPP on drives - 1.41. Those numbers are at a much smaller sample size than LeBron or Kyrie but we only have 4 guys on the roster who are plus players putting the ball on the floor (LBJ, KI, Shump, RJ).

This team needs MORE playmakers, not less. There's already too much burden on KI / LBJ and moving Shump would only compound that problem. If Shump is going out, we need someone capable of being that 3rd slasher and Williams just is not that at this point in his career. He's not even in the same area code as Shump on PPD / TPPD numbers and people think Shump isn't a good enough playmaker.

I'd much rather hang on to Iman and trade our 2020 or Cedi + filler for just Thabo. I think Korver is a luxury given all the other shooters. We more desperately just need a 3 who can significantly cut LBJ's minutes and not necessarily at the expense of Shump.
 
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I'mWithDan said:
When you look at SportsVU, Iman is #1 on the team in player player points per drive (PPD) - 0.93. Additionally, he's #2 in team PPP on drives - 1.41. Those numbers are at a much smaller sample size than LeBron or Kyrie but we only have 4 guys on the roster who are plus players putting the ball on the floor (LBJ, KI, Shump, RJ).

This team needs MORE playmakers, not less. There's already too much burden on KI / LBJ and moving Shump would only compound that problem. If Shump is going out, we need someone capable of being that 3rd slasher and Williams just is not that at this point in his career. He's not even in the same area code as Shump on PPD / TPPD numbers and people think Shump isn't a good enough playmaker.

I'd much rather hang on to Iman and trade our 2020 or Cedi + filler for just Thabo. I think Korver is a luxury given all the other shooters. We more desperately just need a 3 who can significantly cut LBJ's minutes and not necessarily at the expense of Shump.
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Deron Williams? He isn't the finisher he used to be, but his PPP and AST% on drives is still pretty good. Sefalosha also drives more per game than Shumpert -- though his percentages are lower (Shumpert really picks his spots though).

I don't think we need a person who can drive to the hoop, per say - we need a person who can initiate the offense outside of LBJ and KI. Deron Williams is way more of a ball handler and offensive initiator than Shumpert.
 
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Question about a technical trade:

Can we make the following trade with Portland $1M + 2016 1st round Pick for a 2017 First Round Pick?

I think we have one million left that we can send to other teams this year (after buying the Kay Felder pick), but maybe that was last year?

Maybe this has to be done in two trades, where we get the 2017 pick back first, which allows us to send the 2016 pick out?

For Portland it's just free money. For the Cavs it allows us to send our 2018 and 2020 picks in deals this year.
 
What about Kyle O'Quinn and Justin Holiday as a trade package? both could be pretty helpful.
 
Lyuokdea said:
Question about a technical trade:

Can we make the following trade with Portland $1M + 2016 1st round Pick for a 2017 First Round Pick?

I think we have one million left that we can send to other teams this year (after buying the Kay Felder pick), but maybe that was last year?

Maybe this has to be done in two trades, where we get the 2017 pick back first, which allows us to send the 2016 pick out?

For Portland it's just free money. For the Cavs it allows us to send our 2018 and 2020 picks in deals this year.
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Well, I don't think anyone can trade a 2016 first pick right now.

However, if you are asking if we can send our 2017 first to Portland for a 2018 first, then the answer is yes. As long as at the end of the trade we don't end up with 2 consecutive future drafts without a 1st round pick, we can do the deal, regardless of team.
 
Lyuokdea said:
Question about a technical trade:

Can we make the following trade with Portland $1M + 2016 1st round Pick for a 2017 First Round Pick?

I think we have one million left that we can send to other teams this year (after buying the Kay Felder pick), but maybe that was last year?

Maybe this has to be done in two trades, where we get the 2017 pick back first, which allows us to send the 2016 pick out?

For Portland it's just free money. For the Cavs it allows us to send our 2018 and 2020 picks in deals this year.
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I don't know about the 1M. I'm pretty sure we used up the cash we're allowed to trade. But windy mentioned a few times that Portland could be a trade option because they are the only ones we can trade out 1st to in exchange for our 2018 pick.
 
I've been one of Shump's biggest critics, but I'm sorry, no to that trade.

Deron Williams is ass. I rather have Shump defending the back up point guard and hitting 3s at his 40% clip. Trading him would be crazy unless we got an instant upgrade.

Thabo is not an upgrade overall to Shump. Korver isn't necessarily one either, at this moment.

That trade would hurt us and make us worse IMO. I'd just take Thabo for Cedi and call it a day.
 
Shump can't guard PGs anymore, on his rookie year he was a defensive phenom. Right now, he just can't guard good PGs, at all.
I would try to trade him for Korver and Thabo. Maybe they will bite, he is on a good contract and they are both expirings that they are not going to re sign.
Trade McRae, Shumpert for Thabo, Korver and their 2nd round pick.
 
godfather said:
I've been one of Shump's biggest critics, but I'm sorry, no to that trade.

Deron Williams is ass. I rather have Shump defending the back up point guard and hitting 3s at his 40% clip. Trading him would be crazy unless we got an instant upgrade.

Thabo is not an upgrade overall to Shump. Korver isn't necessarily one either, at this moment.

That trade would hurt us and make us worse IMO. I'd just take Thabo for Cedi and call it a day.
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Pretty much where I'm at as well. I just don't see the value in Korver at this point. If he's released? I mean, sure, absolutely but trading valuable players / assets for him just seems insane to me. Especially considering how we just completely neutralized him with length and athleticism two years ago. That's exactly what GSW will do too.

Thabo I trade legitimate assets for and hope I can resign him because he fills a gaping hole on our roster and provides LeBron with an immediate minutes reduction. He also provides us with even more athletic lineup combinations to throw out against the Warriors.

Williams is going to get bought out or waived, so I really don't see why anyone would trade something of value for him, even in a 3-way deal. Just wait around and pick him up for nothing. No team is claiming him off waivers.
 
Shump is off the table right now unless it is for an upgrade (Rudy Gay or Bradley/Crowder?).

This is what I'm thinking:

Dunleavy, Mo, Mcrae, and Cedi for Korver and Thabo. Throw in Liggins or Felder if necessary?

Or for just one of either of them, same thing but without any extra assets. And the other player could be acquired by TPE and a pick.

Same method applied to players like PJ Tucker or Tony Allen. If the first package could work for one and the second for the other. But for just one of them, I don't know if I would give up Cedi. For a package of two, I definitely would. And then our pick can be saved with the TPE.



Or Dunleavy, Mo, Bird, and Mcrae (plus asset?) for Jared Dudley or Wilson Chandler. Other team just cuts Bird and Mo.

And the homerun ball, Shump, Dunleavy, and assets for Rudy Gay.

And if Mo and Bird survive trades, cut them. Then sign a couple players via free agency/buyouts.


And those are my dream scenarios. We could be adding 2-3 new people by trade, and up to 2 people via free agency. Which we could end up with a grand total of 4 or 5 new people added to the team which would make us much stronger. I'd be happy with the addition of just one player via trade tbh. Mo, Bird, and Mcrae are essentially just open roster spots. And we don't lose much in Dunleavy. Liggins, Felder, RJ, and JJ are all expendable as well in the right deal. The whole bottom half of the roster is all expendable really, and any replacements just makes us that much stronger. Of course some of them have more secure roster spots, but 3 or 4 of them will be replaced by better players this deadline one way or another. I think Mo, Bird, Mcrae, and Dunleavy are gone. With the chance of one of Liggins, Felder, or RJ getting moved in the right deal.
 
Agree with Walt, I'd only trade Shumpert if it's for Bradley, Gay, or Crowder type players. Clear upgrades.

I like his trade scenarios too. Not bad at all.
 
The thing we have to remember about these trades, guys, is I don't think Phoenix or Atlanta have the roster space to take ALL of Mo, Birdman, etc. + the additional player assets we want to give them (McRae, Dunleavy). So these trade scenarios with Birdman, Mo, McRae, and Dunleavy going to a team like Atlanta - combined with 2020 1st round and/or Osman - are impossible scenarios that won't happen.
 
No way are the Cavs adding 4-5 players this season :chuckle: I'd be happy with 1 or 2 additions, but I'm trying to temper my expectations of how impactful they will be considering we're pretty strapped for assets. I'd love to somehow pull of a trade for a wing like Tucker, and then sign either a PG or big that is cut by another team. I'd be fine with cutting or trading any of Mo, Birdman, McCrae, Dunleavy, Osman - but I'd prefer to keep Liggins and Felder if possible (although it all depends on the trade).
 
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