Trade Rumor(s)

I think our focus should be on a big man. With Birdman's injury our roster only has TT/Frye/Love as our big men. I'd love to somehow acquire Jusuf Nurkic or Kosta Koufos or Cole Aldrich. Unfortunately the only real trade asset we have may be Felder. I'd be willing to give up Felder + McRae + 2nd rounder in exchange for a decent big man and let Shumpert run the backup point until Chalmers or some other backup point guard from free agency can be signed.

jking948 said:

The thing we have to remember about these trades, guys, is I don't think Phoenix or Atlanta have the roster space to take ALL of Mo, Birdman, etc. + the additional player assets we want to give them (McRae, Dunleavy). So these trade scenarios with Birdman, Mo, McRae, and Dunleavy going to a team like Atlanta - combined with 2020 1st round and/or Osman - are impossible scenarios that won't happen.

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Nobody in their right mind would keep Birdman or Mo, whether it be us or a team we trade them to. They are getting cut. But in a trade, they serve as extra salary to help facilitate a deal.

Hydroponic3385 said:

No way are the Cavs adding 4-5 players this season I'd be happy with 1 or 2 additions, but I'm trying to temper my expectations of how impactful they will be considering we're pretty strapped for assets. I'd love to somehow pull of a trade for a wing like Tucker, and then sign either a PG or big that is cut by another team. I'd be fine with cutting or trading any of Mo, Birdman, McCrae, Dunleavy, Osman - but I'd prefer to keep Liggins and Felder if possible (although it all depends on the trade).

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Only 2 or 3 is more likely, but it is possible. The bottom half of our roster doesn't do anything. And we are relying heavily on Liggins and RJ right now, and I don't know how long that magic will last.

Mo, Birdman, and Mcrae should be gone. Even just cut, so that is three open roster spots right there. Even without a trade taking place. And I expect at least one trade. But I think our preference is to trade Mo because of his salary and it would be such a waste to cut him now instead of trading his salary because we could have cut him months ago.

And I would bet on Dunleavy being traded. We really need a role player in his place. And he is in that perfect salary range of acquirable players that could help us yet possibly be moved cheap. I don't think we are going to let that 5-7 mil rot on the bench. I think we could do a swap for a player that needs a change of scenery or a team looking to save a little cash and get some value before they inevitably lose said player in free agency.

So worst case scenario, we cut Mo and Bird (and I'd cut Mcrae), and we sign 2-3 free agents. So yea, I don't think it is a huge stretch.

Walter White said:

Nobody in their right mind would keep Birdman or Mo, whether it be us or a team we trade them to. They are getting cut. But in a trade, they serve as extra salary to help facilitate a deal.

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They can't get cut until they are traded. If the trade gives a team more than 15 players before anyone gets cut it will be voided by the league.

Only 2 or 3 is more likely, but it is possible. The bottom half of our roster doesn't do anything. And we are relying heavily on Liggins and RJ right now, and I don't know how long that magic will last.

Mo, Birdman, and Mcrae should be gone. Even just cut, so that is three open roster spots right there. Even without a trade taking place. And I expect at least one trade. But I think our preference is to trade Mo because of his salary and it would be such a waste to cut him now instead of trading his salary because we could have cut him months ago.

And I would bet on Dunleavy being traded. We really need a role player in his place. And he is in that perfect salary range of acquirable players that could help us yet possibly be moved cheap. I don't think we are going to let that 5-7 mil rot on the bench. I think we could do a swap for a player that needs a change of scenery or a team looking to save a little cash and get some value before they inevitably lose said player in free agency.

So worst case scenario, we cut Mo and Bird (and I'd cut Mcrae), and we sign 2-3 free agents. So yea, I don't think it is a huge stretch.

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I agree with all of this. All I'm saying is you can't trade more players than available roster space. If a team has 15 players, sends out two, you can only send two back. You can't send more back no matter if they are going to get cut or not.

jking948 said:

They can't get cut until they are traded. If the trade gives a team more than 15 players before anyone gets cut it will be voided by the league.

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I thought the receiving team could just cut them immediately after the trade. Maybe I just thought that because I've seen so many players instantaneously cut after being traded. Makes sense. I guess the only workaround would be that the receiving team cuts a player first. (Or makes a previous trade where they lose a player).

jking948 said:

The thing we have to remember about these trades, guys, is I don't think Phoenix or Atlanta have the roster space to take ALL of Mo, Birdman, etc. + the additional player assets we want to give them (McRae, Dunleavy). So these trade scenarios with Birdman, Mo, McRae, and Dunleavy going to a team like Atlanta - combined with 2020 1st round and/or Osman - are impossible scenarios that won't happen.

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Neither do, however Ryan Kelly is unguaranteed this year, so he could be cut this week and open up a spot for Atlanta.

col63onel said:

Neither do, however Ryan Kelly is unguaranteed this year, so he could be cut this week and open up a spot for Atlanta.

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Or we could just get a third team involved. There are a lot of options. There are like three guys at the end of the Phoenix bench that look cuttable as well if they became a trade partner. Griff knows how to work the magic. We know how to make smaller separate trades to set up the bigger one.

Buyout season is always interesting as well.

Walter White said:

I thought the receiving team could just cut them immediately after the trade. Maybe I just thought that because I've seen so many players instantaneously cut after being traded. Makes sense. I guess the only workaround would be that the receiving team cuts a player first. (Or makes a previous trade where they lose a player).

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Yeah, you can't immediately cut because the player's salary needs to hit the team's books, which then adds the player to the roster. As @col63onel noted, though, Atlanta could cut a player first, which solves the whole problem!

Vee-Rex said:

I think our focus should be on a big man. With Birdman's injury our roster only has TT/Frye/Love as our big men. I'd love to somehow acquire Jusuf Nurkic or Kosta Koufos or Cole Aldrich. Unfortunately the only real trade asset we have may be Felder. I'd be willing to give up Felder + McRae + 2nd rounder in exchange for a decent big man and let Shumpert run the backup point until Chalmers or some other backup point guard from free agency can be signed.

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Nah, finding a Birdman replacement will be easy. The Cavs are waiting to sign someone like that who eventually gets bought out. The guy won't be any good, but that's Birdman's replacement.

Using our best trading assets for Birdman's replacement would be a terrible idea. Guys like Nurkic (which would be too steep), or Koufos, and Aldrich would require using our best trading assets.

Cedi would likely be included. They Cavs should be using that ammo for another wing player that can defend. That's the glaring hole keeping us from beating GS, not a 4th big off the bench that won't even crack the rotation.

Walter White said:

Dunleavy, Mo, Mcrae, and Cedi for Korver and Thabo. Throw in Liggins or Felder if necessary?

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That's not gonna happen. Those are two still useful players for a whole pile of garbage. I mean one guy is just a straight waste of a roster spot. That might get ONE of those guys, if they really love Cedi Osman. That's my hope. That they really love Osman.

But they have no great need to dump Korver or Thabo for the sole purpose of clearing salary. Both of those guys are on the last years of their deal. Thus, getting Mo and Dunleavy does absolutely zippo for them.

Rich said:

That's not gonna happen. Those are two still useful players for a whole pile of garbage. I mean one guy is just a straight waste of a roster spot. That might get ONE of those guys, if they really love Cedi Osman. That's my hope. That they really love Osman.

But they have no great need to dump Korver or Thabo for the sole purpose of clearing salary. Both of those guys are on the last years of their deal. Thus, getting Mo and Dunleavy does absolutely zippo for them.

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All those players he mention were just fillers to make it work. Cedi and Kay would be the sole purpose, if they'd be interested in those two.

They are both veterans on their last year with the club, and Atlanta appears quite awful. They're not going to have much value in a trade. And they probably have no use to keep them on the club going forward given they should just rebuild.

Does anyone really think Thabo is worth that much in a trade? Because I really don't... If they wouldn't take Cedi, I don't know what they could get realistically get that's much better.

Rich said:

That's not gonna happen. Those are two still useful players for a whole pile of garbage. I mean one guy is just a straight waste of a roster spot. That might get ONE of those guys, if they really love Cedi Osman. That's my hope. That they really love Osman.

But they have no great need to dump Korver or Thabo for the sole purpose of clearing salary. Both of those guys are on the last years of their deal. Thus, getting Mo and Dunleavy does absolutely zippo for them.

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Do you think they will get a great deal for Millsap? Looks like they are clearing house to me. Sounds like they don't want to keep/pay Korver or Thabo this offseason so getting a pick and prospect is better than letting them walk for nothing. Granted, they could likely get better offers, but this isn't about a fair talent swap. As most trades at the deadline aren't.

And I'm only bringing up Korver as a nice throw in. We don't necessarily need him, although I think he would be better here. I don't think I would give Cedi in a deal for Korver alone. That is a waste of time. For Thabo, probably would. I don't think either have much stand alone value, but Thabo has much more I'm sure because of his defense.

godfather said:

Nah, finding a Birdman replacement will be easy. The Cavs are waiting to sign someone like that who eventually gets bought out. The guy won't be any good, but that's Birdman's replacement.

Using our best trading assets for Birdman's replacement would be a terrible idea. Guys like Nurkic (which would be too steep), or Koufos, and Aldrich would require using our best trading assets.

Cedi would likely be included. They Cavs should be using that ammo for another wing player that can defend. That's the glaring hole keeping us from beating GS, not a 4th big off the bench that won't even crack the rotation.

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I hear ya. You're right, we don't need to give up our biggest assets for a big.

I'm just concerned about a rotation that only has 3 big men and hope that's addressed soon. June is a long ways from now and I'd like to avoid relying on Frye/Love/TT for heavy minutes until then. Love is as durable as a tater tot and Frye shouldn't be given heavy minutes. We're about 7 weeks away from the trade deadline? That's a long time to rely on just those 3, IMO. I know Bron is at the 4 a lot but I hope we can stay healthy until then.

Although our wing situation isn't great at least we've got some depth there. When JR comes back it'll be cool, and if we fully roll with Felder (or sign another backup PG) it'll allow Shump to slide back into the SG position.

godfather said:

All those players he mention were just fillers to make it work. Cedi and Kay would be the sole purpose, if they'd be interested in those two.

They are both veterans on their last year with the club, and Atlanta appears quite awful. They're not going to have much value in a trade. And they probably have no use to keep them on the club going forward given they should just rebuild.

Does anyone really think Thabo is worth that much in a trade? Because I really don't... If they wouldn't take Cedi, I don't know what they could get realistically get that's much better.

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I'm gonna be honest and I know he's coming off of a good game, but I don't really think a late 2nd round pick who has shown very, very little this season is gonna be enticing a whole lotta teams. They could have picked him if they were so excited by him.

If he shows more over the next month, then we'll talk.

Rich said:

I'm gonna be honest and I know he's coming off of a good game, but I don't really think a late 2nd round pick who has shown very, very little this season is gonna be enticing a whole lotta teams. They could have picked him if they were so excited by him.

If he shows more over the next month, then we'll talk.

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I'm not saying he would either for the record. Personally, I don't think they'd take Kay for Korver at all. My guess is they'd want a late first rounder for Korver.

I get Walter's premise for the trade. I think they would be interested in Cedi for Thabo though. I don't know what they'd think they could get for him, but I seriously doubt much at all. It's not like he's that good, and he's 32, soon to be a free-agent.

I don't really care about Korver. Would I take him? Of course, and he's the better player of the two. Thabo is more of a need though. Korver wouldn't be a bad replacement until JR gets back, but other than that, I don't see the need for him anyways.

Apparently Andrew Bogut is expected to be traded or bought out & he wants out of Dallas.
Any possible scenario that lands him on the Cavs?