Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

sportscoach said:

This is true, but maybe we need to try and make it more fun, not like we have anything better to do.

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OK, you start first

sportscoach said:

This is true, but maybe we need to try and make it more fun, not like we have anything better to do.

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The new guy just told everyone to change. Do you need me to explain why this won't go well, or can you take the act a tad?

Randolphkeys said:

The new guy just told everyone to change. Do you need me to explain why this won't go well, or can you take the act a tad?

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I fear no one! Lol my logic has been right with QBs for the last few years. Also this will be a stopgap year anyways, so whoever we draft will not start as long as Kessler/whoever is the veteran we get stays healthy.

sportscoach said:

I fear no one! Lol my logic has been right with QBs for the last few years. Also this will be a stopgap year anyways, so whoever we draft will not start as long as Kessler/whoever is the veteran we get stays healthy.

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Well if you're such a QB guru list the top 20 QBs in this draft and where you feel they should be selected.

I will have it as my sole bookmark and use it to judge your QB evaluation for the rest of eternity

I'd be interested in what the Bengals do in the draft. They lost two key pieces to an O-Line that was in the top 10 in the league. It's not always easy to supplement that kind of loss with rookies.

We might see McCarron on the field sooner rather than later

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AZ_ said:

Looking forward to someone forming an argument for taking Trubisky that doesn't involve saying "local kid, loves the Browns."

Not sure that argument is out there, however.

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Well, he's also the best QB prospect in this draft, has a strong arm, good size, is an accurate passer, and is a good athlete.

On top of that, he's also a sharp dude. He has all the tools...

In fact, his main weaknesses are 1) Limited starting experience/tape 2) 98% of his snaps were in the shotgun, much like most college quarterbacks these days and 3) the occasional inconsistency in throwing mechanics that many of these young guys deal with.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/mitch-trubisky?id=2558008

The facts that he's a local kid and actually wants to play for the Browns are just gravy.

Phills14 said:

There is a 143% chance those percentages are made up.

I think Garoppolo has a decent chance of being a FQB, with anything the price will determine how big my appetite is for him.

Cousins I think is a known commodity and will consistently fall in the 10-20th best QB in any given year. You can win with that. Not sure Washington is willing to trade him unless they love a QB in this class and we provide a pick that assures them they can get him.

I like Kessler actually. I think Kessler can be in the 15-25 range of starting QBs honestly. Accuracy, leadership, work ethic and intelligence are all qualities that keep QBs on the field even if they don't have the strongest arm.

Davis Webb intrigues me. He has the size, athleticism, leadership, accuracy, experience and has faced adversity at the college level. Obviously his experience is in the air raid offense which doesn't translate great to the NFL but it's not impossible. I also like his price tag of possibly a trade down in the 2nd round or using a 3rd on him.

I am really not a fan of the QBs at 12. I just don't have confidence in them to pass up on the talent that is already there.

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Most of those percentages were indeed made up but 1 in 3 first round quarterbacks since 1999 "made it", i.e. they're better than Jay Cutler. The best bet is that exactly 1 of the 3 quarterbacks projected to go in the first round this year will hit that threshold. If you want to hover in on the #12 spot, here are the guys taken within 5 slots:

Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
EJ Manuel
Jake Locker
Josh Freeman
Ryan Tannehill
Jay Cutler
Matt Leinart
Ben Roethlisberger
Byron Leftwich
Daunte Culpepper
Cade McNown

That's a 3/12 (25%) success rate and that's counting Tannehill as a success which is stretching it.

However I think taking that chance is better value-wise than using that pick on Garoppolo. If you grant that a few years seasoning and 2 games of good play makes him worth that 12th overall pick, he is still only 33% to be particularly good, and you're going to be on the hook for a salary as if he is 100% likely to be good. That's why this does NOT seem like a Sashi Brown play to me.

The fact that they are casting Osweiler aside is the really confusing part of this to me. There is no reason for them to be that confident in whichever QB they have tabbed as The Guy, either in their ability to acquire/draft him or his ability, period.

sportscoach said:

I fear no one! Lol my logic has been right with QBs for the last few years. Also this will be a stopgap year anyways, so whoever we draft will not start as long as Kessler/whoever is the veteran we get stays healthy.

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Let the record show I tried the polite guidance route at one point. Carry on...

Matches said:

The fact that they are casting Osweiler aside is the really confusing part of this to me. There is no reason for them to be that confident in whichever QB they have tabbed as The Guy, either in their ability to acquire/draft him or his ability, period.

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I watched probably 6 or 7 Texans games last year. I don't think it's saying they're that confident in the QB they are going to draft as it is saying they're very confident Osweiler can't cut it in this league.

You will find no one lower on Osweiler than me. I think it took until week 5 last year for me to deem him the worst starting QB in the NFL. Brock set a record last year for most games in a season with under 200 yards and over 40 attempts... He averaged 5.8 yards per attempt. He was throwing to DeAndre Hopkins and had Lamar Miller in the backfield.

But more so than all that just watching him he was a special type of putrid. His accuracy was legendarily bad at times. A 5 yard out sailing 10 yards over the receivers head was not an uncommon occurrence. At his worst last year he made Blaine Gabbert look like a FQB.

He's horrid. I have 0 faith in him. If we could get even a 6th rounder for him and not eat his entire salary I'd be giddy

I didn't see this posted, apologies if it was, but some good stuff on Bull and Fox with Matt Miller from Friday.

Discussing the Browns QB options, what he's hearing, and a bit of draft talk. It's worth a listen if you missed it:

Bull and Fox with Matt Miller

CosmoKramer said:

Where the fuck is all this AJ McCarron talk coming from?

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sportscoach has a boner for him for some reason, and apparently a lot of free time on his hands.

The Wizard of Moz said:

Well if you're such a QB guru list the top 20 QBs in this draft and where you feel they should be selected.

I will have it as my sole bookmark and use it to judge your QB evaluation for the rest of eternity

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Well I have none of these guys a top 15 player in the draft and none are ready to actually start as a rookie, they all need to sit. I would not draft Watson or Kizer since Watson is a college QB that will not transition well to the pros unless he sits for awhile. Kizer just feels like his mental makeup isn't there to be a pro QB. I have Mahomes as the second ranked QB behind Trubisky (who I think will end up being a starting QB just not an elite one) Webb I think is the guy Cleveland should get, since he probably will end up being a 3rd round pick, needs work on some footwork, but everything else is there. Dobbs is also interesting, but he may lack all the physical tools to make it.

Ohdang said:

sportscoach has a boner for him for some reason, and apparently a lot of free time on his hands.

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Boner for him, not really, he just makes a lot of sense for the next couple seasons until we get our franchise guy (likely in the 2018 draft and we let him sit a season or two).

I wouldn't mind at least seeing if Hue can work out some things mechanic wise with Kessler to see if he can throw the ball with more zip, but man, that arm of his really showed its limit last year.

It's not even the deep ball. Some of his intermediate throws, corners were breaking on throws rather fast. He's got to use precision and timing almost exclusively. That's going to limit a lot of throws you can make at this level.

Then again, I'm still open to the experiment.

It's a shame, because he does have everything you'd like in a QB. Still miles better than McCoy IMO.

I'm wondering about the worries about Watson's arm strength. I don't see it looking at his highlights.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNieAol_14&feature=youtu.be


I can understand if accuracy or reading defenses is an issue, but I don't see an issue with arm strength. I'm not sure why his MPH is so low at the combine. Maybe he was focusing on accuracy instead of on speed when working the drill

The Wizard of Moz said:

I watched probably 6 or 7 Texans games last year. I don't think it's saying they're that confident in the QB they are going to draft as it is saying they're very confident Osweiler can't cut it in this league.

You will find no one lower on Osweiler than me. I think it took until week 5 last year for me to deem him the worst starting QB in the NFL. Brock set a record last year for most games in a season with under 200 yards and over 40 attempts... He averaged 5.8 yards per attempt. He was throwing to DeAndre Hopkins and had Lamar Miller in the backfield.

But more so than all that just watching him he was a special type of putrid. His accuracy was legendarily bad at times. A 5 yard out sailing 10 yards over the receivers head was not an uncommon occurrence. At his worst last year he made Blaine Gabbert look like a FQB.

He's horrid. I have 0 faith in him. If we could get even a 6th rounder for him and eat not eat his entire salary I'd be giddy

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They'll never get a third rounder for him. He was easily, by far and away, the worst starting QB in the league. It's a miracle the Texans were able to win the division with him at the QB.

He certainly had nothing to do with it.