Racial Tension in the U.S.

Cavatt said:

It's fine. If you want to live in that biased world and see no room for improvement fine. This is the perfect demonstration of white privilege right there. You don't care that police treat black people differently because you never ever have to deal with it. You are so good at proving my point today.

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Do you realize that you didn't answer the question? I asked a very simple question -- what do you expect me to do about a black guy getting pulled over in a Mercedes. I agreed it was wrong. What else?

See, this is really the core of the problem. You'll get very little argument from most people saying that people should not be treated differently based on their race. We all here agree on that. So exactly what are we supposed to do about it?

Cavatt said:

I know college campuses well. Spent a lot of time there. I'm not into censorship.

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Then you understand how the privilege meme is often being used. It is literally, in many cases, singling out specific groups in a negative manner because of their race, religion, or gender. It is morally elevating those who are not "privileged" over those who allegedly are. It is revolting.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3749726/Campus-outrage-North-Carolina-White-male-able-bodied-Christian-students-Appalachian-State-told-check-privilege-controversial-bulletin-board.html#ixzz4dyLYFmiI

How this for a philosophy -- "People should be crapped on because of their race or gender. If they are, it's wrong, and should be stopped." The problem is that a lot of the subtext of the "privilege" movement -- even if you personally don't think this way --

"I am owed because you are privileged."

Cavatt said:

White privilege isn't something you do, it is the way you are perceived as a white person. So you totally don't seem to understand it, yet you are dismissing it as irrelevant. Making my point for me.

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Well someone has to do something as a result of that perception, or it never leaves the realm of someone's mind.
So...who is it that is perceiving me different from a non-white and what are they doing or saying as a result that privileges me.
Give me something halfway solid if you want me to consider any real world impact on people.
And, by the way, if a cop is treating non-whites worse than whites, that is his problem and he should be disciplined. He is the bigot and the non-white is the victim of his bigotry.
It has nothing to do with me but I will be the first one to call him out on it.
Trying to assign part of his guilt to me in the form of White Privilege is not fair and I reject it.

Whittaker said:

Well someone has to do something as a result of that perception, or it never leaves the realm of someone's mind.
So...who is it that is perceiving me different from a non-white and what are they doing or saying as a result that privileges me.
Give me something halfway solid if you want me to consider any real world impact on people.
And, by the way, if a cop is treating non-whites worse than whites, that is his problem and he should be disciplined. He is the bigot and the non-white is the victim of his bigotry.
It has nothing to do with me but I will be the first one to call him out on it.
Trying to assign part of his guilt to me in the form of White Privilege is not fair and I reject it.

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I think you are taking on guilt, but we are free to disagree.

The Human Q-Tip said:

See, this is really the core of the problem. You'll get very little argument from most people saying that people should not be treated differently based on their race. We all here agree on that. So exactly what are we supposed to do about it?

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Is this what you would've said during the Civil War or during the Civil Rights Movement? What do you want us to say? This is a basketball forum. Live your life well and try to gain perspective from people who face racial discrimination. Seek to prevent it in your own actions and in the portions of society where you have influence. I mean Christ, what do you want me to do about college censorship, I'm out of school?

Whittaker said:

Trying to assign part of his guilt to me in the form of White Privilege is not fair and I reject it.

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Once again, this is not how this works. As a white person you are not guilty of all racism. But there is racism that has benefited you and continues to. It's not about feeling guilty it's about doing better for the next generation.

The Human Q-Tip said:

Then you understand how the privilege meme is often being used. It is literally, in many cases, singling out specific groups in a negative manner because of their race, religion, or gender. It is morally elevating those who are not "privileged" over those who allegedly are. It is revolting.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3749726/Campus-outrage-North-Carolina-White-male-able-bodied-Christian-students-Appalachian-State-told-check-privilege-controversial-bulletin-board.html#ixzz4dyLYFmiI

How this for a philosophy -- "People should be crapped on because of their race or gender. If they are, it's wrong, and should be stopped." The problem is that a lot of the subtext of the "privilege" movement -- even if you personally don't think this way --

"I am owed because you are privileged."

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I dunno. I guess you could get mad at a sign that said, "Be thoughtful". Does everyone have the right to go around thinking about only themselves and what matters to that person. Sure. Is that the best course of action, I think you would agree no because we live in a society. If someone shuts you up by saying check your privlege, ok. If it is essentially "Recognize and be thoughtful of others" I 100% agree that is a major problem right now that people aren't.

I think "check yourself" is taken too negatively. Check yourself is usually used in a situation where you may not be thinking coherently. If you think you deserve some right or are entitled to something, you might check yourself.

If this bothering people so much, who are the sensitive ones?

Just because I say, "You look good today" to my girl friend, it does not mean that she looked like shit yesterday. She may not take it that way, but that is on her.

The Human Q-Tip said:

Do you realize that you didn't answer the question? I asked a very simple question -- what do you expect me to do about a black guy getting pulled over in a Mercedes. I agreed it was wrong. What else?

See, this is really the core of the problem. You'll get very little argument from most people saying that people should not be treated differently based on their race. We all here agree on that. So exactly what are we supposed to do about it?

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It's police training. That is what i want. They have shown black people get shot less with more training. I have argued that since the beginning of the thread and yeah people have argued with me about that. Jeff Sessions just decided not to implement guidelines that were going to help police departments in these areas that departments actually wanted. The votes for trump and not caring about session's racist past created that situation.

You are arguing against something that you are ideologically for. So you have to figure out how to handle that contradiction yourself.

43 States have 70% or more white people.
7 states have over 40% Latinos
35 states have 15% + of their population at or below poverty.
25 states have less than 100 people per square mile.
22 states have median income of less than 50k

Social issues are gonna be different from Ohio to Kentucky to Maine, to New Jersey to Georgia to Nebraska to California.

Migration or lack of migration can have a strong impact on opportunities

This article from 2009 shows COllege educated black with twive the unemployment rate as college educated white in 209
http://www.epi.org/publication/snapshots_20090422/

are these statistics a fair representation. You are comparing a segment of the population that are looking for jobs all over the country compared to a segment that largely are competing for jobs in the same areas.

Many urban populations are starting to shift as well as since 2000 , blacks are uprooting and going to where the jobs are and are avoiding poorly run city schools and steep taxes altogether by living in areas with lower concentrations of people.

These are not solutions for everyone but these people aren't seeing burning crosses on their yard or seeing a mass exodus of white people upon their arrival.

It is a slow process but one trending in the right direction.

Seattle is a city often cited as an example of racism. the numbers of 35% less income than nationally is startling at first.

but if you examine further. The Central district black population has shifted. with many of its black population moving out to the suburbs while the Areas has seen a sharp increase in African immigrants who are working lower wage scale jobs have set up shop in Seattle. skewing the numbers.

White guys in the thread...

Would you have rather grown up black? Just curious.

Cavatt said:

Hetero-privlege isn't a real thing either?

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Nope.

-Akronite- said:

I think what they are actually saying is that it IS a factor when it shouldn't be. So it's not elevating the factor of race, but recognizing it and seeking to rectify it.

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It's elevating race over other factors that actually are more important, which gives it an important it does not deserve. And it serves no useful purpose other than to start looking at rights and obligations as belonging to groups rather than individuals. Why not simply say "everyone deserves to be treated equally regardless of their race, and to the extent that happens in a situation, we should condemn it and try to fix it?"

There really isn't an argument to be made that white people don't have it easier in this country, or hold more control over society. I don't see what's wrong with recognizing truth.

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Sure there is. You may not agree with it, but the argument is there. For example, I think Barack Obama had it easier than some white kid growing up in the slums of Appalachia. Or a poor Hispanic kid growing up in an L.A. barrio.

For the latter, a lot of people are frustrated and I'd argue go too far with trying to silence non-minority voices, but there are groups in this country that don't feel heard or represented.

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Sure there. And a lot of them aren't minorities. So what?

I mean, we just elected a guy president who kicked off his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists. Meanwhile we have white men all over the country upset at how boxed in they are by these radical leftists.

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"Oh my goodness, poor white people."

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vD1UTka3I0

And just to link the point, she ranted about "privileged white people" earlier in that interview,

I honestly cannot fathom how people who supposedly care about racial equality so flippantly disregard mistreatment or suffering of anyone because of their race. The poor white kid who is a minority in his school district isn't magically privileged just because some other white people somewhere else have it easier. That's exactly what you get, though, when you look at people as members of a race rather than as individuals.

priv·i·lege
noun

1. a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

Being treated fairly by the cops is not a privilege. It is the expected norm.
Privilege would be getting a free pass on something they would normally ticket because you are famous or connected.

Whittaker said:

priv·i·lege
noun

1. a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

Being treated fairly by the cops is not a privilege. It is the expected norm.
Privilege would be getting a free pass on something they would normally ticket because you are famous or connected.

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as some one that lives in hickville USA you bet your ass this exists. For fly fucks sake the KKK still holds rallys in towns not 20 minutes from where I live. You dont think I dont get treated differently than my black neighbors by the police? HA!

Jesus christ I live in maryland one of the holds of liberalism and I see white privilege applied pretty much every week, especially by cops.

The Oi said:

White guys in the thread...

Would you have rather grown up black? Just curious.

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Honestly have never thought about it. Thinking about it now and can't really put it in a frame of reference that makes sense.
One of the few things I would change about my young years would be to not have an alcoholic mother.