The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

MediumBaller said:

They probably still think Ezekiel Elliot beat up his girlfriend too.

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Not familiar with the case.

And dj is fine, I'm just not sure we're talking about the same thing? You posited the schools court systems are fucked. I think he's talking about the lack of public attention cases get. But he then cited a case that was fucked. We cited several more.

The publication of these cases is one thing, I don't really care as much about that, but I think we were saying the campus adjudication system is insufficient, and I think he would agree. I've certainly got my own anecdotal evidence.

MediumBaller said:

So you think that the courts should be replaced, I agree. We have different reasons, but we want the same thing, right?

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That a university is involved at all is mind-boggling to me.

Do we see schools also adjudicating theft, money-laundering and other criminal offenses? No. And every single student that was suspended or expelled before a real trial or plea was entered should sue the shit out of that school.

Criminal complaints go far beyond any conduct code.

King Stannis said:

That a university is involved at all is mind-boggling to me.

Do we see schools also adjudicating theft, money-laundering and other criminal offenses? No. And every single student that was suspended or expelled before a real trial or plea was entered should sue the shit out of that school.

Criminal complaints go far beyond any conduct code.

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Eh guess I should get my suing pants on

David. said:

Been a long time since I heard the diatribe, but it went something like "special program implemented and funding given.. If there's less reports, they don't receive funding anymore."

I'll have to look

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I don't know. I think the negative press of allowing rape stories to get out, and the corresponding drop in alumni donations, outweighs any possible federal funding for rape prevention programs.

David. said:

Eh guess I should get my suing pants on

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Go for it.

The thing about the campus rape epidemic is that it should not be a zero sum game. Accusations should be seen as credible and the accused innocent until proven guilty by a real court of law.

Rape prevention training is necessary, and part of that program should be teaching young women that making an allegation is a very serious thing and has consequences. And as obvious as it seems, dudes need to be taught what the fuck consent is and who can consent.

The university courts should be held to a uniform standard of burden of proof and be forced to stay their hand until after the justice system has run its course when it comes to criminal matters.

David. said:

Not familiar with the case.

And dj is fine, I'm just not sure we're talking about the same thing? You posited the schools court systems are fucked. I think he's talking about the lack of public attention cases get. But he then cited a case that was fucked. We cited several more.

The publication of these cases is one thing, I don't really care as much about that, but I think we were saying the campus adjudication system is insufficient, and I think he would agree. I've certainly got my own anecdotal evidence.

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Here's the Elliott situation.

https://www.google.com/amp/cowboysw...ecution-for-domestic-violence-accusation/amp/

Essentially ex gf wanted to set him up, posted pictures on Instagram of bruises and shit that she said was from him, but he had text messages saying that she made up the whole thing.

King Stannis said:

That a university is involved at all is mind-boggling to me.

Do we see schools also adjudicating theft, money-laundering and other criminal offenses? No. And every single student that was suspended or expelled before a real trial or plea was entered should sue the shit out of that school.

Criminal complaints go far beyond any conduct code.

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I completely agree. If a student makes a complaint it should be sent straight to the prosecutor's office for them to handle. It's not the school's place to try to determine innocence or guilt in criminal matters.

King Stannis said:

I don't know. I think the negative press of allowing rape stories to get out, and the corresponding drop in alumni donations, outweighs any possible federal funding for rape prevention programs.



Go for it.

The thing about the campus rape epidemic is that it should not be a zero sum game. Accusations should be seen as credible and the accused innocent until proven guilty by a real court of law.

Rape prevention training is necessary, and part of that program should be teaching young women that making an allegation is a very serious thing and has consequences. And as obvious as it seems, dudes need to be taught what the fuck consent is and who can consent.

The university courts should be held to a uniform standard of burden of proof and be forced to stay their hand until after the justice system has run its course when it comes to criminal matters.

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Rape is tough.

Its very hard to prove, it's hard to disprove in the court of public opinion. The ones that lie, fucking suck. So do rapists. You can't punish women who later admit it was a ruse because it disincentivizes it from happening in the future.

There's just.. Man these accusations that are found to be false later are disgusting. As are stories like War Machine's

I think most convicted rapists didn't think the victim was serious when they said no.. A LA kobe Bryant.

David. said:

I think most convicted rapists didn't think the victim was serious when they said no

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You sure you meant to say this?

Tlyons said:

You sure you meant to say this?

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Positive. Significant amount are miscommunication. I can't immediately source where I heard this.

David. said:

Positive. Significant amount are miscommunication. I can't immediately source where I heard this.

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It's just...thats an incredibly broad statement is all.

King Stannis said:

I don't know. I think the negative press of allowing rape stories to get out, and the corresponding drop in alumni donations, outweighs any possible federal funding for rape prevention programs.



Go for it.

The thing about the campus rape epidemic is that it should not be a zero sum game. Accusations should be seen as credible and the accused innocent until proven guilty by a real court of law.

Rape prevention training is necessary, and part of that program should be teaching young women that making an allegation is a very serious thing and has consequences. And as obvious as it seems, dudes need to be taught what the fuck consent is and who can consent.

The university courts should be held to a uniform standard of burden of proof and be forced to stay their hand until after the justice system has run its course when it comes to criminal matters.

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Absolutely. It's crazy to me that telling girls to be careful about the situations they put themselves in is equated with "victim blaming". In an ideal world we would be able to tell guys "hey, get consent and don't rape girls" and that'd be the end of it but we don't live in that world. If you tell guys about consent the vast majority are going to listen, but there will always be some out there that just don't care. They know rape is wrong, but they're going to do it anyways. No amount of saying "we shouldn't have to tell girls how to avoid getting raped, we should tell men not to rape" is going to protect women if they come across those monsters.

When my little sister went to college I told her about things she should do to keep herself safe. I didn't do it because I'm a victim blamer, I did it because I recognize that there are evil people in society that you have to look out for. We need to have more of those conversations.

Tlyons said:

It's just...thats an incredibly broad statement is all.

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This isn't exactly what I meant, but it's something.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199211/round-rapists

Type 2 is motivated by cognitivedistortions, or thinking errors; he mistakenly interprets events or information differently than other men would. He believes that some women enjoy being raped, or want to be raped. For this type, rape is part of a conquest, a way of demonstrating masculinity. Most date rapists are Type 2s

(and to be fair, some women do have that fantasy. I've dated some. So it becomes pretty fucking confusing when no means no, or if it meant "no" like the other 500 times you fucked them - just illusory resistance implemented with the sole intent of being overcome.

Another study I found included in abstract : "men misunerstanding.. Called sexual miscommunication theory" and the study felt those who said this were full of shit because they indicated they knew verbal and non verbal cues that meant yes and and no, but i think the point is they didn't see the behavior exhibited the way others would have, or as was asked in the study compared to what had happened in real life

David. said:

This isn't exactly what I meant, but it's something.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199211/round-rapists

Type 2 is motivated by cognitivedistortions, or thinking errors; he mistakenly interprets events or information differently than other men would. He believes that some women enjoy being raped, or want to be raped. For this type, rape is part of a conquest, a way of demonstrating masculinity. Most date rapists are Type 2s

(and to be fair, some women do have that fantasy. I've dated some. So it becomes pretty fucking confusing when no means no, or if it meant "no" like the other 500 times you fucked them - just illusory resistance implemented with the sole intent of being overcome.

Another study I found included in abstract : "men misunerstanding.. Called sexual miscommunication theory" and the study felt those who said this were full of shit because they indicated they knew verbal and non verbal cues that meant yes and and no, but i think the point is they didn't see the behavior exhibited the way others would have, or as was asked in the study compared to what had happened in real life

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That article is pretty spot on. There are many reasons why men rape.

In the college context alcohol plays such a large role that in some instances one wonders if they are aware of what they are doing or are capable of picking up on non-verbal cues.

Then again, maybe they shouldn't get that drunk.

caf said:

Obama invited a kid to the white house who:
- tore apart an off the shelf alarm clock
- put it in a brief case
-made it look like a bomb

Why? There was no science project. He obviously didn't inscribe the silicon. It was a facade to profit off of racial tensions... And Obama invited them to the white house.

What in the actual fuck.

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This thread has gone off the deep end. Time to refocus on what it is for:

Donald Trump and his family likely are, at best common criminals guilty of financial crimes, at worst, traitors to the country and are possibly headed for impeachment, resignation, and prison. (but will likely be pardoned by Pence).

I think Mueller probably has the goods on Donnie Jr and some of Trumps campaign people with collusion charges. I doubt they realized what they were doing was treasonous, but that doesn't change the fact that it was.

Maybe Donald was in the meeting as well? I think he will get nailed for some back channnel communication or a financial crime like tax evasion or money laundering.

Most likely: Trump Jr and Manafort are charged with crimes against the state. Trump pardons them. There is a huge public backlash, approval falls under 25%. Congress ignores him for the remainder of his term. He is primaried in 2020.

Probable: I assume Trump has committed financial crimes. Mueller has the paper trail. Indicts Trump. Congress begins impeachment, Trump resigns in disgrace. Pence pardons.

Possible: Its hard to believe Donald didn't know what his surrogates were up to with Russia. I honestly think these guys were too stupid to know what they were doing was a crime against their state, but that doesn't change the fact that it was. If they have had them under surveillance, they probably have the goods. In this case, charges will be brought and Congress will have no choice but to impeach. Trump resigns in disgrace.

It's going to be a very interesting month. The only good thing I can see about having elected an actual bad guy and head of a criminal enterprise is that we are really getting a live test of the constitution. The checks and balances seem to be working where the voters failed.

I give this scandal 4 out 5 Tricky Dicks. But it's getting close to the full Nixon.

TLDR; Mueller likely has the goods on Trump or his inner circle. Who do you think are the most likely? I'd say: Don Jr, Manafort, Kushner, Trump Sr., in that order. But I also suspect Kushner has rolled on his bro-in-law.