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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Racial Tension in the U.S.

    Votes: 16 51.6%

  • Extremist Views on the U.S.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Mending Years of Racial Stereotypes.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Protest Culture.

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • Racist Idiots in the News.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 32.3%
  • Total voters
    31
David. said:
Jack it was awful. Embarrassing. I reported you FYI. Were all sick of this. You can't just break the chess board if you lose. Were sick of this.
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Yeah, I remember when you posted all that bullshit, were totally wrong, and only Max, who is the biggest troll in the political threads, came to defend you. I remember when the guy who made the actual post disagreed with how you interpreted it, and still you went on for days pretending you were right.

Fucking joke, man.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Look, I understand the idea of a slippery slope. But these are literally Nazis were are talking about. Fuck them. Fuck their beliefs. Fuck anyone who defends them. It makes me sick that so many people are bending over backward to defend a white power protest because they can't stomach admitting that Trump is a problem.
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Nobody is defending them jack, not a single person here. We just don't want wide spread violence that is seemingly justified by only morality. Them being Nazis doesn't strip them of rights everybody has as an American like it or not. This country is as great as it is because nothing can be silenced. Not good ideas, not bad ideas, not horrible ideas.
 
Jack Brickman said:
Yeah, I remember when you posted all that bullshit, were totally wrong, and only Max, who is the biggest troll in the political threads, came to defend you. I remember when the guy who made the actual post disagreed with how you interpreted it, and still you went on for days pretending you were right.

Fucking joke, man.
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Moral imperative not to have discussions with people that call people racists when they lose an argument.
 
So maybe I can bring my own view to this? Try and get this back on subject.

I fucking hate Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, etc. Frankly, like Gour, if I saw one actively protesting, I'd probably punch him.

Still, I think their speech should be defended as long as it does not incite violence for one main reason: who is deciding what speech should/not be defended? Do we want that power in the hands of someone like Trump? If you're a conservative, would you want that power in the hands of Clinton?

It's a power relations question to me. While I see no issue with Neo-Nazis losing their jobs, getting beat up, etc. Their right to protest freely and not violently should be defended, even if that means I end up breaking the law via assault, solely because I think deciding certain groups should lose freedom of speech is incredibly dangerous.

Again, I fucking hate Neo-Nazis. I don't think any of them are good people. I think Trump's speech was mortifying. They are not good people. Not even a little bit. But, I still don't know how we create a policy that limits their speech while also avoiding an eventual very slippery-slope. I, for one, do not want to give Trump anywhere close to that power.
 
TyGuy said:
Nobody is defending them jack, not a single person here. We just don't want wide spread violence that is seemingly justified by only morality. Them being Nazis doesn't strip them of rights everybody has as an American like it or not. This country is as great as it is because nothing can be silenced. Not good i
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don't waste your time. Everyone can read the conversation that just happened. You spend actual effort explaining something and they can't come up with anything legitimate so they slander. Its disgusting and a waste of time.
 
This thread should be locked for a time. We all have different opinions and there is no resolve. You can't sway someone who's already made up their mind.
 
jking948 said:
So maybe I can bring my own view to this? Try and get this back on subject.

I fucking hate Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, etc. Frankly, like Gour, if I saw one actively protesting, I'd probably punch him.

Still, I think their speech should be defended as long as it does not incite violence for one main reason: who is deciding what speech should/not be defended? Do we want that power in the hands of someone like Trump? If you're a conservative, would you want that power in the hands of Clinton?

It's a power relations question to me. While I see no issue with Neo-Nazis losing their jobs, getting beat up, etc. Their right to protest freely and not violently should be defended, even if that means I end up breaking the law, solely because I think deciding certain groups should lose that freedom is incredibly dangerous.

Again, I fucking hate Neo-Nazis. I don't think any of them are good people. I think Trump's speech was mortifying. They are not good people. But, I still don't know how we create a policy that limits their speech while also avoiding an eventual very slippery-slope. I, for one, do not want to give Trump anywhere close to that power.
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Exactly.
 
David. said:
Moral imperative not to have discussions with people that call people racists when they lose an argument.
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If you honestly think I lost that argument with you, you have even more issues than I thought. You lost it, couldn't cope with it, bitched constantly for days, and finally had your views validated by Max, who does nothing but troll.

If you want to call that a win, more power to you. But I found it embarrassing.

It's obvious you have a lot of issues with non-whites, and that you blame them to some extent for your situation. That's fine. Sad, but fine.
 
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Nicky said:
This thread should be locked for a time. We all have different opinions and there is no resolve. You can't sway someone who's already made up their mind.
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Its helped people denounce antifa and the apt right a bit. I just can't see how calling people names is going to produce anything beneficial.
 
TyGuy said:
Yeah, tell him how he feels!
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He told us how he feels about Barack Obama.

I know youre not keen on using someone's own words, but they generally don't lie.
 
TyGuy said:
Nobody is defending them jack, not a single person here. We just don't want wide spread violence that is seemingly justified by only morality. Them being Nazis doesn't strip them of rights everybody has as an American like it or not. This country is as great as it is because nothing can be silenced. Not good ideas, not bad ideas, not horrible ideas.
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It seems to me that that is not true. I see plenty of people defending them by constantly comparing them to non-Nazis. "Oh, the Nazis were bad, but the non-Nazis were just as bad." Hell, we've seen Trump echo that same statement.

That, to me, is fucking ridiculous.

And I agree that them being Nazis doesn't strip their rights, but seeing people bend over backwards to defend fucking Nazis, which is what is happening in this very thread, is disgusting and un-American.
 
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jking948 said:
So maybe I can bring my own view to this? Try and get this back on subject.

I fucking hate Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, etc. Frankly, like Gour, if I saw one actively protesting, I'd probably punch him.

Still, I think their speech should be defended as long as it does not incite violence for one main reason: who is deciding what speech should/not be defended? Do we want that power in the hands of someone like Trump? If you're a conservative, would you want that power in the hands of Clinton?

It's a power relations question to me. While I see no issue with Neo-Nazis losing their jobs, getting beat up, etc. Their right to protest freely and not violently should be defended, even if that means I end up breaking the law via assault, solely because I think deciding certain groups should lose freedom of speech is incredibly dangerous.

Again, I fucking hate Neo-Nazis. I don't think any of them are good people. I think Trump's speech was mortifying. They are not good people. Not even a little bit. But, I still don't know how we create a policy that limits their speech while also avoiding an eventual very slippery-slope. I, for one, do not want to give Trump anywhere close to that power.
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It's sad how many times you had to clarify your against Nazi's in fear of being labeled a sympathizer here
 
Huber. said:
It's sad how many times you had to clarify your against Nazi's in fear of being labeled a sympathizer here
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It's not really that sad considering a lot of people here are bending over backward to justify Nazi protests.
 
Does free speech apply to people who wish to commit bodily harm, as Nazis and white supremacists do?
 
Huber. said:
It's sad how many times you had to clarify your against Nazi's in fear of being labeled a sympathizer here
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Jack Brickman said:
It's not really that sad considering a lot of people here are bending over backward to justify Nazi protests.
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I feel like my argument is not being taken as intended... Ahh well, carry on.
 
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