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Racial Tension in the U.S.

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  • Racial Tension in the U.S.

    Votes: 16 51.6%

  • Extremist Views on the U.S.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Mending Years of Racial Stereotypes.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Protest Culture.

    Votes: 1 3.2%

  • Racist Idiots in the News.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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    Votes: 10 32.3%
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This is so reminiscent of the people who believed that statue of Joe Paterno needed to stay up, in spite of everything we know about him now.
 
It's funny how many of the people who want to keep statues, historic names, etc. are the same people who are completely ignorant (or in complete denial) about the historical figures in question.
 
Nathan S said:
It's funny how many of the people who want to keep statues, historic names, etc. are the same people who are completely ignorant (or in complete denial) about the historical figures in question.
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HE DISCOVERED AMERICA you commie snowflake!
 
MLK Jr. thought that homosexuality was a culturally acquired "problem" that needed to be solved. When do we tear down his statue for thinking the wrong thing? When does this destruction of history stop?
 
In a lot of ways, Columbus is wholly representative of America.
 
AZ_ said:
Because that's not the point of taking down these statues.

It's the point people like you have invented for why they're coming down.
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Well right now they're coming down because vigilantes have taken it upon themselves to take matters into their own hands. How do we decide whether someone's statue should stay up or not?
 
MediumBaller said:
MLK Jr. thought that homosexuality was a culturally acquired "problem" that needed to be solved. When do we tear down his statue for thinking the wrong thing? When does this destruction of history stop?
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This is the old "no one's perfect, so it's useless trying to distinguish between good people and bad people in history."

There are obviously many reasonable places to draw the line in between killing and enslaving a huge number of people and thinking homosexuality is bad (I agree, somewhere closer to the "killing and enslaving a huge number of people" end of the spectrum would be better).
 
MediumBaller said:
Well right now they're coming down because vigilantes have taken it upon themselves to take matters into their own hands. How do we decide whether someone's statue should stay up or not?
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A lot of statues have been coming down recently via legal means as well.
 
King Stannis said:
Witness the legislation of exceptionally punitive laws dealing with crack in the 80s. Cocaine, not so much.
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Why do you think this was? That was pretty crazy, 100:1 ratio, reduced to 28:! in 2010, which is still high, IMO.

Is it for shock value (scared straight)? Is this the "systemic racism" that's spoken of? I'm not sure what the intent was, but it's silly legislation, IMO. It's illogical. Substance Act recognizes both as the exact same drug, it should be a 1:1 ratio for whatever that sentence may be (a whole other conversation).
 
I'm obviously not black so I don't know how it feels to walk by statues of Civil War heroes and the right call may be to put these in museums.

But @King Stannis, if I understand the Civil War correctly...Robert E Lee could have easily been a Union General or other high ranking officer, yes? And chose not to be one simply because of his sentiment, as that of many other people then, that states came before country and that they should be allowed to secede if they chose to do so.

And that THIS- the rights of a state to secede if they chose to do so- was what the Civil War was about more than slavery. That the abolition of slavery was a secondary (maybe even tertiary) effect of the Confederacy losing the Civil War.

If I'm understanding this correctly (may not be), Robert E Lee was not the terrible person he has been rewritten to be at all.

Help me on this one please before I develop an argument further. I flat out don't trust the information out there at the moment and don't feel like reading a book on him.
 
By the way, I'm fine with keeping most historical monuments up. I think in a lot of cases we'd be better served adding plaques of information to give better context rather than simply allowing a glorification of someone up. You see a statue and the assumption is that it was a great man/woman, but it's very likely more complicated than that.

I support taking down Confederate Monuments because most were erected by white supremacists as a symbol of white supremacy. Many people see them as a glorification of past oppression, which I can't argue.

The statue of Columbus in CBus was a gift from an Italian group if I'm not mistaken. Actually, from what I understand Italian communities are the biggest proponents of protecting Columbus Day due to a cultural connection to him. That being said, I wouldn't mind losing the statue or the name. Though I do like the 3 ships symbolism used elsewhere in the city.
 
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