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The Human Q-Tip said:
These are inherently controversial topics, and we know that because parents, school boards and educators fight about that stuff right now, all the time. Those disagreements won't vanish just because the decisions are centralized in Washington and mandated to the states.

That's not accusing left-leaning teachers or educators of trying to deliberately brainwash students politically. They are pushing for the curriculum they honstly believe is the right one to teach, just as are those who disagree.

So, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise, or even as an insult, that does who don't lean left would prefer that those decisions not be made by an admittedly left-leaning educational establishment.
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Then conservatives should start majoring in Education.
 
Cavatt said:
The biggest problem I have with homework is that it is confusing what exactly is being graded. A lot of times the bad grades come from not turning in the homework, or losing it or other issues sort of unrealted to what you are learning. Now I am not saying those skills of being able to keep track of stuff or time management aren't important, but getting a bad grade means you didn't learn the content, when you might have. Instead of getting a bad grade for losing the homework, the teacher should be helping that kid with these other skills they need to be learning.

In other words the punishment should fit the crime, and the punishment should always be related to fixing the problem instead of just being punitive. How many times have we seen kids getting bad grades on homework lead to them getting better grade on homework? probably never unless they are a good student to begin with. They just resent it and get frustrated with themselves and call themselves stupid. Negative reinforcing loop.
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The purpose of homework, according to brain science research, is to reinforce what has been learned in a rigorous classroom environment. It is the teacher's responsibility to maintain the rigor. It is the student's responsibility to maintain a full effort in the classroom, and don't just bullshit with their friends. Sadly many kids who need more than 10 minutes of work a night need more time because they fucked around all class.
 
Randolphkeys said:
The purpose of homework, according to brain science research, is to reinforce what has been learned in a rigorous classroom environment. It is the teacher's responsibility to maintain the rigor. It is the student's responsibility to maintain a full effort in the classroom, and don't just bullshit with their friends. Sadly many kids who need more than 10 minutes of work a night need more time because they fucked around all class.
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I usually assign about 20-30, but we're on a block.

For AP level classes, more like 45-60 a night.
 
col63onel said:
I usually assign about 20-30, but we're on a block.

For AP level classes, more like 45-60 a night.
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That's why one size fits all rules for homework don't work. Some classes require homework because the repetition is necessary. That's particularly true of fields like math, physics, chemistry, etc.. And especially if you're talking about kids who are academic achievers.
 
Huber. said:
Those damn private Christian schools are always the worst when it comes to graduation rates and testing. I agree, it's best to make fun of them.
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Don't think he was making fun of Christian private schools.

It's amazing how schools that don't have to play by the same rules as public schools, get to hand-pick their populace, are able to remove kids under their own discretion, and have a financial incentive to increase parental involvement churn out better results.
 
Cassity14 said:
Don't think he was making fun of Christian private schools.

It's amazing how schools that don't have to play by the same rules as public schools, get to hand-pick their populace, are able to remove kids under their own discretion, and have a financial incentive to increase parental involvement churn out better results.
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Hmmm.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
This is really the same argument, so I am going to address them together.

There are a great many things in the field of social studies that are inherently controversial. World-renowned historians argue over all sorts of things because they don't agree. So to the extent you do not want "different versions of World History" to be taught in different states, you are asking someone at the national level to decide - for the entire country - which views are correct, and which are not. That is inherent in wanting that decision centralized. And that is true in all sorts of other fields as well

How much focus should we put on Europe v. Africa v. Asia v. The Pre-Colombian Americas? Which cultures are we going to study, and how are we going to view colonialism, capitalism, communism, socialism, etc.? Should we focus less on dead white people and more on people of color? Was "Manifest Destiny" good or bad? Should we teach about the "patriarchy"? Is teaching English lit too eurocentric, and should students be required instead to read other things instead? What are we going to teach about gender, and gender roles, etc.?

These are inherently controversial topics, and we know that because parents, school boards and educators fight about that stuff right now, all the time. Those disagreements won't vanish just because the decisions are centralized in Washington and mandated to the states.

That's not accusing left-leaning teachers or educators of trying to deliberately brainwash students politically. They are pushing for the curriculum they honstly believe is the right one to teach, just as are those who disagree.

So, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise, or even as an insult, that does who don't lean left would prefer that those decisions not be made by an admittedly left-leaning educational establishment.
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Let's begin with defining "what is being taught in schools". It's common for someone with a passion for the facts in history to approach what a teacher does in a classroom as some kind of delivery of facts. Similarly, for someone who is an avid reader the "what we teach in class" could be the novels selected or the news articles and sources.

If a teacher is highly qualified, those concerns are trivial because "what we teach" is access to literacy. In my world history classes, I teach concepts. The historical examples which lend examples to those concepts shouldn't hold a singleness in bias. One high school librarian I know went to a history teacher seminar and ranted about a lack of LGBTQ lessons. That is poor educational model, the correct goal should be the analysis of identity in a certain time period. Similarly, the goal should be raising literacy through analyzing how a historical time period, author's bias, and intended audience influence the work.

So, an educator would define "what is being taught in a classroom" as skills, not facts. And that gets lost when classrooms become a political football for other people's agendas. It's also why highly trained teachers deserve the money to retain them.
 
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