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DJTJ said:
But at the same time? One of the rules needs to be axing this idea that everyone should be debating as if they’re in the debate team. 90% of the issue was people on both sides hiding behind ridiculous expectations that their posts were safe from ridicule if, for example, the well was poisoned. How many times did we see a multi-page discussion on if the well was poisoned because the person who claimed it was couldn’t stand on their own feet to defend their point? And that’s only one of the excuses to fend off ridicule of their point.
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How is a moderator supposed to enforce that rule without it blowing up into a shitstorm and chasing people away?

We are not compelled to respond, or even give any weight at all, to points made by other posters. If another poster's conduct aggravates you...why not just let it go and continue the discussion with someone else?

It's pretty much know that for quite awhile, @gourimoko and I weren't engaging with each other. It still happens sometimes. But neither of us went complaining to mods because the other person wasn't debating/discussing the way we wanted them to. We just...moved on and discussed things with other people.

I really can't fathom why that can't work for everyone else.
 
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I'm probably not that interested, but may jump over time to time.

If it's on another forum, the ignore function could actually be a thorough ignore and stop all communication between two people. That would be fine.

I think no rep is a good idea.

Maybe separate rooms for teams so shitposts and steam can be let out, and then a room for actual discussion
 
David. said:
Maybe separate rooms for teams so shitposts and steam can be let out, and then a room for actual discussion
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But how many arguments have you seen here over exactly what a "shitpost" really is? We have to think of the position into which we would be putting the prospective moderator. Asking him to police post quality, and referee what is a shitpost and what isn't...I sure as hell wouldn't want that job.

I suppose it could be done, but it would have to be in a more "exclusive" forum with posters who generally agree with each other in terms of what kind of discussions they'd like, etc.. And maybe that's what ends up happening -- I don't know. I personally would probably shy away from it, but it may be there actually is a lot of interest in something like that than in a forum with looser moderation/rules.

I suppose that's what this whole thread is all about.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
But how many arguments have you seen here over exactly what a "shitpost" really is? We have to think of the position into which we would be putting the prospective moderator. Asking him to police post quality, and referee what is a shitpost and what isn't...I sure as hell wouldn't want that job.
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What I'm saying is a separate team section so the shitposts can fly, not moderation of them.


"Drumpf" can go there. Or have a general poofling thread and then one with high quality discussion
 
David. said:
What I'm saying is a separate team section so the shitposts can fly, not moderation of them.


"Drumpf" can go there. Or have a general poofling thread and then one with high quality discussion
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And who draws the line between which posts belong where, and exactly what clear criteria does he use to determine that?
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
How is a moderator supposed to enforce that rule without it blowing up into a shitstorm and chasing people away?

We are not compelled to respond, or even give any weight at all, to points made by other posters. If another poster's conduct aggravates you...why not just let it go and continue the discussion with someone else?

It's pretty much know that for quite awhile, @gourimoko and I weren't engaging with each other. It still happens sometimes. But neither of us went complaining to mods because the other person wasn't debating/discussing the way we wanted them to. We just...moved on and discussed things with other people.

I really can't fathom why that can't work for everyone else.
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That works for me.

That, unfortunately, doesn’t work for the same 5-6 people that seemed to be at the throats of each other.
 
DJTJ said:
That works for me.

That, unfortunately, doesn’t work for the same 5-6 people that seemed to be at the throats of each other.
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Okay, maybe @David. was on to something....Maybe we need both.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
If too many people choose not to participate, it's eventually going to be one-sided, boring as hell, or both. The goal is/was to try to find something that enough people from all sides of the political spectrum can accept so that participation is high.

But I'm not sure that's really possible, so you may be right.
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If the rules are reasonable, which I'm sure they will be, then anyone who can't follow them wouldn't be productively adding to the conversation anyway.

If the rules are enforced, and civility and appropriate discord are the result...and people are being weeded out (who can't follow the rules), then I don't think it matters how populated the forum is as long as some find it useful ( I find some threads boring all over this site, so I stay away). It'll be settle into a forum that will almost moderate itself with only a passing eye from official moderators needed.

If that process ends up slanting one way or another on the political spectrum, then that'd be an interesting social experiment to see play out.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
And who draws the line between which posts belong where, and exactly what clear criteria does he use to determine that?
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It shouldn't be the job of a moderator, it should be the personal responsibility for certain posters to not lower themselves to the level they believe themselves to be above.

There doesn't need to be a great deal of catering to people's individual needs or get into this at a micro level to accommodate people's issues with certain posters.

Set the rules, they can begin threads to get into their "higher purpose" threads if they're unhappy with the discussion path of other threads on said forum.

If they can't abide by the rules, then the moderator is then tasked with either opening up a private discussion or wielding a heavy hammer to remove that person from the conversation for a time.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
And who draws the line between which posts belong where, and exactly what clear criteria does he use to determine that?
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-anything goes
-adult discussion


This wont work though. To me it's pretty obvious who can handle the latter thread but good luck enforcing it or moderating it and letting the right ones in
 
The whole point of having a moderator is that we don't have to agree 100% on every rule and every decision he makes. We just have to be willing to accept his decisions in spite of that.

Tough job for jking, as has been said 17 times already, but pretty straightforward for the rest of us.
 
David. said:
Forums
-anything goes
-adult discussion


This wont work though. To me it's pretty obvious who can handle the latter thread but good luck enforcing it or moderating it and letting the right ones in
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There's the "No Running to Ben" rule, and a mod who could unilaterally consign miscreants to the "anything goes" thread by banning them from the other. Enforcement wouldn't be a problem.
 
Nathan S said:
The whole point of having a moderator is that we don't have to agree 100% on every rule and every decision he makes. We just have to be willing to accept his decisions in spite of that.

Tough job for jking, as has been said 17 times already, but pretty straightforward for the rest of us.
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Right, but he can't do that job unless we give him relatively clear guidance as to exactly what he is supposed to be doing. Does he police "shitposting", or not? (for example....)
 
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