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I think it matters in terms of potential
to be an MVP. Plus the playoff pedigree cannot be denied.
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to be an MVP. Plus the playoff pedigree cannot be denied.
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Ahh okay. I definitely think Kyrie is the better player, has more potential, etc. I was just curious about the age part. I'd love to get him though if he becomes available in the offseason.
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If we don't trade the pick Porter Jr. is the player I hope we end up with. I think he'd do very well paired with LeBron.7. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets)
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Height: 6-10 | Weight: 214
With an uncertain future on the horizon due to LeBron James' free agency, the Cavs will need to stockpile as much talent as they can, regardless of their hopes of keeping the King at home.
Porter came into the season with the hope of making a run at being the No. 1 pick in the draft. Unfortunately, he hasn't been able to build his case because of a back injury. Porter's size, shot-creation skill and scoring instincts will nevertheless make him a coveted prospect next June. He is a playmaker on both ends of the floor and is just starting to figure out how to put his talent to full use.
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Don’t get me wrong, Dame would probably turn into my priority target if he miraculously became available. He’s pretty much exactly what we’re missing. Like if we put Kyrie on this team now with Nance, Clarkson,Cedi, Ante and Green (say hill and hood
Trade never happens) ...I think we are right up there with Houston and GS....and Dame is the closest replica to what Kyrie brings IMO.
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You prefer to have Kyrie and his gimp knee and lack of love for the game . He did mention retiring early to explore his flat earth theory . I prefer Dame and his health and his Fire to win his 1st ship.
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Kyrie was still more valuable as a trade piece than Dame would be. Not by a wide margin but still higher.
You really need to give up the “gimp knee” nonsense. Kyrie’s got a minor knee issue from his past injury that will need to be cleaned up with a scope. It’s not that big of a deal , lol... Certainly hasn’t hampered his play as he’s kinda had his best offensive season yet despite not having LBJ drawing all the attention away from him.
Listen, I fucking hate Kyrie. It hurts me deeply to have to defend him, but you’re probably seeing Dame Lilliards ceiling right now. And it’s very Fucking good...but Kyries is just higher. Kyries ceiling is outdueling the unanimous NBA MVP in the NBA finals multiple games in a row. Kyrie has MVP level talent. He may never put together a full season of MVP level play, and certainly hasn’t made the leap yet..but it’s not like it would be surprising..
Game 7 this summer against the Warriors. Cavs get a one time exception from the NBA to sign either Kyrie or Damian Lilliard to play for us in that game...
Everyone with a brain is taking Kyrie. And that’s the difference.
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Lol @ someone saying Zizic or Cedi wouldn't be traded if Dame became available and Portland wanted one of them (likely don't anyhow).
Anyhow, the other thing people are overlooking is Rodney Hood, and his RFA status. A team would likely deal for him and the BKN pick in a sign-&-trade scenario if Cavs have no interest in matching an offer. That would be much more likely than a team taking TT or JR for salary matching purposes. Of course if some bottom feeder comes out and makes a ridiculous offer for Hood just to get to the cap minimum, then we may lose him for nothing.
As for the Kyrie/Lillard debate. Kyrie is having a great season, but Lillard is having even a better season considering the teams they are on, their coaches, and the conference they play in. Who honestly thought the Blazers would be 3rd in the Western Conference, let alone maybe even make the playoffs at all? They are both equally as talented offensively in my opinion. Lillard ranks 6th in the league in win shares, while Kyrie is 11th. As far as defensively, while neither is great there, it does have to be noted that Portland ranks 1st in the league vs opposing PGs as well.
Anyhow, the other thing people are overlooking is Rodney Hood, and his RFA status. A team would likely deal for him and the BKN pick in a sign-&-trade scenario if Cavs have no interest in matching an offer. That would be much more likely than a team taking TT or JR for salary matching purposes. Of course if some bottom feeder comes out and makes a ridiculous offer for Hood just to get to the cap minimum, then we may lose him for nothing.
As for the Kyrie/Lillard debate. Kyrie is having a great season, but Lillard is having even a better season considering the teams they are on, their coaches, and the conference they play in. Who honestly thought the Blazers would be 3rd in the Western Conference, let alone maybe even make the playoffs at all? They are both equally as talented offensively in my opinion. Lillard ranks 6th in the league in win shares, while Kyrie is 11th. As far as defensively, while neither is great there, it does have to be noted that Portland ranks 1st in the league vs opposing PGs as well.
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Hate that our "Big 3" only won 1 together; in many ways they're a lot like the Big 3 Celtics, a super-talented trio that was thrown together quickly and managed only 1 title before injuries and other factors (LBJ Heat/Durant Warriors) prevented them from winning more. The Doc/Lue connection only reinforces the parallel.
I know there's too many factors to account for here, but in your opinion if Kyrie hadn't wanted out and LeBron opted to say do we win at least one more down the line?
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This article post-2016 Finals makes me sad, though it couldn't predict that Kyrie would become such an egomaniac, Shump, TT and JR would turn to trash, and Durant would make the most cowardly move in league history:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-cavaliers-have-what-they-need-for-a-dynasty
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Who the hell said that? I can’t find that anywhere..
JR is essentially expiring so he is a likely candidate to be salary filler.
Hood could be moved , certainly , as an extra asset potentially.
I don’t think we have anything to worry about in terms of offer sheets. There is not a lot of cap space and lots of free agents. I think Hoods realistically looking at a full MLE offer sheet. (8.5 mil a year)
Agreed I just give Kyrie the nod in value due to age and proven playoff chops .
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I think we at least have as good a chance as any other team in the NBA. Warriors are vulnerable now which makes me way more annoyed at Kyries request. We could beat them. I’m convinced.
We have the roster....just need a guard that can get 25-30 like 3-4 times in 7. Maybe Clarkson has 2 hot games...Hood has one...JR has one...but it’s a lot of maybe now. Used
To be “Kyries doing it no matter what and maybe getting 40 twice or even 50”.
Ugh...
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I don't see Kyrie leading the Celtics to multiple championships, not as their best player. I just don't. He'll put up stats though and continue to be a defensive liability. Whatever...
The real problem for the East is if/when Ainge cashes in with his assets yet again and gets someone like Davis.
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I agree. I think him and Dame are similar but Kyrie just has a couple slight edges which make him more valuable in a trade.
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For the record, I've never touted Lillard like I think I should have, but even if this is "his ceiling" and the best we ever see from him...um, holy fuck, he's really, really, really good. I don't think his efficiency numbers are at Kyrie's, but he's still playing out of this world.
If I could trade a couple assets for him this offseason and team him up for another few year run with this team, I would do so in a heartbeat.
If I could trade a couple assets for him this offseason and team him up for another few year run with this team, I would do so in a heartbeat.
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So it would be surprising to see Lillard at an MVP level? If I'm not mistaken, he sitting at 5 right now in the vegas odds. Let's not forget that Lillard has 1 less season in the league but 2 all-nba teams made, and Kyrie one all-nba team made. That will increase by 1 for both this season most likely.
As far as the game 7 scenario. Are you stating that based solely on what you witnessed in the 15-16 Finals? Because all numbers and metrics lean towards Lillard in pressure situations. So who is to say he wouldn't perform as well, if not better than Kyrie did? Your statement is purely hyperbole, and is based on the unknown.
This season alone in clutch time, 4th quarter or OT <5min, (No LeBron help for either), Kyrie is shooting: .475%, .265% from three, 82% from the line. Lillard is shooting: .479%, .385% from three, 92% from the line. As for playoff stats as a whole, Lillard leads Kyrie in points, boards, and assists.
Clearly, someone with a brain wouldn't even consider Lillard...
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Ive heard from multiple NBA people and formers players that Kyrie will be dealing with his knee issue the remainder of his career . He did break his f’n knee cap. From that injury it’s causing other issues which can only be treated . So yeah, it’s a big deal to me if I were a GM moving forward .
As far as out dueling Curry, it was only possible because he had LeBron drawing most of the attention . He’s done, yesterday’s news and more than likely won’t accomplish shit in Boston.