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Meaningless poll, but lets play....where will the pick end up after the lottery?

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BrutX15 said:
So it would be surprising to see Lillard at an MVP level? If I'm not mistaken, he sitting at 5 right now in the vegas odds. Let's not forget that Lillard has 1 less season in the league but 2 all-nba teams made, and Kyrie one all-nba team made. That will increase by 1 for both this season most likely.

As far as the game 7 scenario. Are you stating that based solely on what you witnessed in the 15-16 Finals? Because all numbers and metrics lean towards Lillard in pressure situations. So who is to say he wouldn't perform as well, if not better than Kyrie did? Your statement is purely hyperbole, and is based on the unknown.

This season alone in clutch time, 4th quarter or OT <5min, (No LeBron help for either), Kyrie is shooting: .475%, .265% from three, 82% from the line. Lillard is shooting: .479%, .385% from three, 92% from the line. As for playoff stats as a whole, Lillard leads Kyrie in points, boards, and assists.

Clearly, someone with a brain wouldn't even consider Lillard...
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Check Lillards percentages and impact too in the playoffs. Also, check his On/off in the playoffs..It's not pretty. Bringing up his total points and assists while being the focal point of the offense without bringing his efficiency is not cool.

Besides, no one was talking about making Cedi the breaking point in a Lillard trade.(Zizic to me is super valuable to this franchise going forward considering our big man situation and what he has shown and I know can do).

There is no reason for Portland to trade Lillard and for the 8th pick in the draft. Our range is probably Kemba and the likes and I'm not going to add Cedi nor Zizic for a player of that magnitude.
 
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Chris said:
For the record, I've never touted Lillard like I think I should have, but even if this is "his ceiling" and the best we ever see from him...um, holy fuck, he's really, really, really good. I don't think his efficiency numbers are at Kyrie's, but he's still playing out of this world.

If I could trade a couple assets for him this offseason and team him up for another few year run with this team, I would do so in a heartbeat.
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Dame is an assassin similar to Kyrie that always gives GS fits...he has been outstanding during their win streak... I don't see him or CJ becoming available ... But we will see... We may have to settle for Kawhi..;)
 
BrutX15 said:
So it would be surprising to see Lillard at an MVP level? If I'm not mistaken, he sitting at 5 right now in the vegas odds. Let's not forget that Lillard has 1 less season in the league but 2 all-nba teams made, and Kyrie one all-nba team made. That will increase by 1 for both this season most likely.
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Lot easier to make an all NBA team when you’re not playing behind LBJ.

I just think Kyrie has another level he can get to similar to Stephs MVP seasons. I don’t think Dame has that one final gear. Doesn’t mean Kyrie WILL, just that he could. And again..I was mainly discussing trade value here.


As far as the game 7 scenario. Are you stating that based solely on what you witnessed in the 15-16 Finals? Because all numbers and metrics lean towards Lillard in pressure situations. So who is to say he wouldn't perform as well, if not better than Kyrie did? Your statement is purely hyperbole, and is based on the unknown.

This season alone in clutch time, 4th quarter or OT <5min, (No LeBron help for either), Kyrie is shooting: .475%, .265% from three, 82% from the line. Lillard is shooting: .479%, .385% from three, 92% from the line. As for playoff stats as a whole, Lillard leads Kyrie in points, boards, and assists.

Clearly, someone with a brain wouldn't even consider Lillard...
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Lol. I’ll still take Kyrie. You can have Dame.

RS crunch time stats are cool but really don’t mean a damn thing to me with this hypothetical.

For it comes down to this: if you put the best defender in the league and key your entire defensive attack in on Dame, and do the same for Kyrie...who do you trust more to beat the defense?

I consider Kyrie the best difficult “shotmaker” in the league. And probably the best pure isolation scorer in the league. With the best handle. All key elements in a game 7 thatwill Never be properly reflected in any crunch time statistical analysis.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
Check Lillards percentages and impact too in the playoffs. Also, check his On/off in the playoffs..It's not pretty. Bringing up his total points and assists while being the focal point of the offense without bringing his efficiency is not cool.

Besides, no one was talking about making Cedi the breaking point in a Lillard trade.(Zizic to me is super valuable to this franchise going forward considering our big man situation and what he has shown and I know can do).

There is no reason for Portland to trade Lillard and for the 8th pick in the draft. Our range is probably Kemba and the likes and I'm not going to add Cedi nor Zizic for a player of that magnitude.
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That’s why I mentioned Portland would be seeking extra value ( Cedi or Zizic ) .

Also I don’t buy much in to playoff numbers as he was the focal point and much of that pressure will be relieved playing along side of LeBron just as it was with Irving . Dame has never had a championship winning coach such as Lue to teach him how to win in the playoff as well . Mark my words . Irving won’t look as impressive being the man in Boston come playoff time .
 
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CTownSportsFan said:
That’s why I mentioned Portland would be seeking extra value ( Cedi or Zizic ) .

Also I don’t buy much in to playoff numbers as he was the focal point and much of that pressure will be relieved playing along side of LeBron just as it was with Irving . Dame has never had a championship winning coach such as Lue to teach him how to win in the playoff as well . Mark my words . Irving won’t look as impressive being the man in Boston come playoff time .
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Yeah Lue will surely elevate Lillard to another level..much like how he has done so far with our other players.

Sigh. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lillard would regress badly if he came here.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
Yeah Lue will surely elevate Lillard to another level..much like how he has done so far with our other players.

Sigh. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lillard would regress badly if he came here.
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Good point . How Lue was able to elevate guys like JR TT Delly (who basically does nothing in Mil) RJ etc. to take down the powerhouse GSW is an amazing coaching job . Just go look at the Cavs 2015-16 roster. It’s laughable . Hell many of those guys ain’t even in the NBA anymore just 2 years later and the ones still around are buried on a bench somehwere. Only way Lillard would regress if he came here is if he didn’t buy into Lues system .
 
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CTownSportsFan said:
Good point . How Lue was able to elevate guys like JR TT Delly (who basically does nothing in Mil) RJ etc. to take down the powerhouse GSW is an amazing coaching job . Just go look at the Cavs 2015-16 roster. It’s laughable . Hell many of those guys ain’t even in the NBA anymore just 2 years later and the ones still around are buried on a bench somehwere. Only way Lillard would regress if he came here is if he didn’t buy into Lues system .
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Blatt elevated Jr, TT and Delly and trusted the . All of them had regressed under Lue. That's a fact.

Go look at the 2014-2015 roster, now that's laughable. Heck, what Blatt had to work with and be able to achieve at the start of the 2015-2016 season without th e support of his best player and FO is commendable.

You wanna play that game?
 
It’s a fact that Lue took over mid season as a rookie head coach and won a championship with those players . It really takes some hate for Lue , for whatever reason . He bang your mom ? To blame Smith regressing , who was already a head case , got paid , got pregnant and got 2 years older . You also want to cast blame for TT’s regression as well but it had nothing to do with him getting paid , getting pregnant and going all Hollywood . Yeah that‘s all Lue’s fault . Delly ain’t doing Shit in Mil, all he ever was is an energy guy . Keep on being the hate Lue ring leader. He will win without your support .
 
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CTownSportsFan said:
It’s a fact that Lue took over mid season as a rookie head coach and won a championship with those players . It really takes some hate for Lue , for whatever reason . He bang your mom ? To blame Smith regressing , who was already a head case , got paid , got pregnant and got 2 years older . You also want to cast blame for TT’s regression as well but it had nothing to do with him getting paid , getting pregnant and going all Hollywood . Yeah that‘s all Lue’s fault . Delly ain’t doing Shit in Mil, all he ever was is an energy guy . Keep on being the hate Lue ring leader. He will win without your support .
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Defense has declined every year under Lue no matter who has been on the team
 
CTownSportsFan said:
It’s a fact that Lue took over mid season as a rookie head coach and won a championship with those players . It really takes some hate for Lue , for whatever reason . He bang your mom ? To blame Smith regressing , who was already a head case , got paid , got pregnant and got 2 years older . You also want to cast blame for TT’s regression as well but it had nothing to do with him getting paid , getting pregnant and going all Hollywood . Yeah that‘s all Lue’s fault . Delly ain’t doing Shit in Mil, all he ever was is an energy guy . Keep on being the hate Lue ring leader. He will win without your support .
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I'm not oblivious to the fact that we needed a Bogut injury, a Draymond suspension, two all time great performances by both Kyrie and Lebron that were heavy on Isolation in order to come back from a 3-1 deficit.

It made a great story and an unforgettable experience, but it had little to do with the the coach and it becomes more apparent as the years go by. We didn't deploy any concrete game plan other than forcing a switch at the top on almost every possession, but it worked because Kyrie and Lebron played at a god tier level , and it failed miserably a year after.

I don't want to talk about Lue anymore at this time considering his ailment, so spare me with your obnoxious and worthless posts. I have made my judgment on Lue and the coaching staff already, and if the Cavs somehow win a championship, it's going to be because we got the best player on the planet by a long shot.

Fucked my mom? Because I have an issue with the coaching? Another low quality post.
 
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Cavatt said:
Defense has declined every year under Lue no matter who has been on the team
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Every year ? You say it like he’s been the HC for the past 5 + years .This year he was dealt a bad hand with all the drama and old shitty players . Probably the oddest season ever in Cavs history. Not to mention the health issues he’s been dealing with . Last year, please name 1 player other than LeBron who was ever labeled as an above average defender. Switch out JR for Klay and it’s a whole different ball game . Lue was never granted that luxury .Not so easy to build a defensive force when the FO keeps handing over stretch 4’s and 5’s . Wades and midgets . Old dudes who should retire and never will bees . Now he’s forced once again to get a team ready for the playoffs with basically a rebuilt roster mid season .
 
CTownSportsFan said:
Every year ? You say it like he’s been the HC for the past 5 + years .This year he was dealt a bad hand with all the drama and old shitty players . Probably the oddest season ever in Cavs history. Not to mention the health issues he’s been dealing with . Last year, please name 1 player other than LeBron who was ever labeled as an above average defender. Switch out JR for Klay and it’s a whole different ball game . Lue was never granted that luxury .Not so easy to build a defensive force when the FO keeps handing over stretch 4’s and 5’s . Wades and midgets . Old dudes who should retire and never will bees . Now he’s forced once again to get a team ready for the playoffs with basically a rebuilt roster mid season .
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It declined in the 2 month transition between Blatt and Lue. There is no question. The scheme sucks and those that gave Lue credit for the defense while Blatt was here don't speak up much anymore.

The team was top 10 in defense with Blatt. Slipped to the teens right after he was gone, and has been abysmal all year this year no matter the personnel.

The fact it looked good the first 2 games with the new players when they ran a simplified scheme, and then has declined with ever practice since is a major indictment of the coaching staff's ability to run a defense.

Longabardi has never coached a top 10 defense, and he has never had a year where his teams defense improved from one year to the next.

Sounds like Lue took your mom out for a nice dinner and bought her flowers and made her feel like a queen. Doesn't mean he is a good coach.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
I'm not oblivious to the fact that we needed a Bogut injury, a Draymond suspension, two all time great performances by both Kyrie and Lebron that were heavy on Isolation in order to come back from a 3-1 deficit.

It made a great story and an unforgettable experience, but it had little to do with the the coach and it becomes more apparent as the years go by. We didn't deploy any concrete game plan other than forcing a switch at the top on almost every possession, but it worked because Kyrie and Lebron played at a god tier level , and it failed miserably a year after.

I don't want to talk about Lue anymore at this time considering his ailment, so spare me with your obnoxious and worthless posts. I have made my judgment on Lue and the coaching staff already, and if the Cavs somehow win a championship, it's going to be because we got the best player on the planet by a long shot.

Fucked my mom? Because I have an issue with the coaching? Another low quality post.
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Yeah okay buddy . You can say that with just about any coach who won a championship. I guess Phil Jackson was a shitty HC and only won due to having Jordan . Lakers only won because of 2 all time great players . GS only won because of a couple of Mvp’s . Miami only won because of a GoAt and HOF player. Hell why do teams even need coaches? You shoot every angle possible to throw Lue under the bus, you have the majority of the posters here buying in to your BS rhetoric . Those who do post thier opinions feels it’s necessary to pre empt with “ I know it’s not popular opinion” . Already say if the Cavs win the ship it’s in spite of Lue. Yeah another quality hate Lue post. Sometimes I question if your even a Cavs fan or just basketball junky who likes to sound smart and feel better than .
 
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