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Meaningless poll, but lets play....where will the pick end up after the lottery?

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To be honest, the talk about the pic is kind of amusing.

The safe money is on Lebron strong arming Gilbert and Kobe during free agency to move that pick for at least Damian lilard....

LeBron knows that playing with the Cavs current group plus an all star like Lillard is better than playing with Paul George in LA.

And LeBron is PROBABLY never be second or co banana to harden in Houston-too much overlap in their games.

Good odds we never see the Cavs make a pick in this draft or our pick never plays for us...

The free agency landscape is just not that good for LeBron right now unless he makes a major adjustment in just about everything about himself and decides to pair with harden.
 
Stark said:
So howabout those Brooklyn Nets?

Remaining schedule:
Hornets
@ Raptors
Cavaliers
@ Magic
@ Heat
Pistons
@ 76ers
@ Bucks
@ Bulls
Bulls
@ Celtics

I highlighted the playoff contenders, who all hopefully win their games because nobody is really locked into a seed yet out East outside of Toronto/Boston.

Hopefully the Hornets, Magic, and Pistons can do us a solid, but those back to back games against Chicago near the end of the season will be the greatest two-game tankathon of our generation.
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Too bad the Nets couldn't have caught CHI during that hot streak they were on. We have to hope the younger Bulls players have some pride and don't want to get beat down 3 times in a row by the same scrubby Nets team.

Would be nice if Atkinson wasn't trying so hard to scrape out every possible win with vets, and was focused more on developing guys like Okafor, Stauskas, Russel, to see what they have for the future.
 
jvpertz said:
To be honest, the talk about the pic is kind of amusing.

The safe money is on Lebron strong arming Gilbert and Kobe during free agency to move that pick for at least Damian lilard....

LeBron knows that playing with the Cavs current group plus an all star like Lillard is better than playing with Paul George in LA.

And LeBron is PROBABLY never be second or co banana to harden in Houston-too much overlap in their games.

Good odds we never see the Cavs make a pick in this draft or our pick never plays for us...

The free agency landscape is just not that good for LeBron right now unless he makes a major adjustment in just about everything about himself and decides to pair with harden.
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Agree but the higher the pick, the higher the trade value.

Much easier for POR to sell a Lillard trade with their fan base if they are getting one of the top 2-3 prospects in exchange.

A top 7-8 pick has high value but not really in the same stratosphere, at least on paper.
 
Benedict_Boozer said:
Agree but the higher the pick, the higher the trade value.

Much easier for POR to sell a Lillard trade with their fan base if they are getting one of the top 2-3 prospects in exchange.

A top 7-8 pick has high value but not really in the same stratosphere, at least on paper.
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Lilliard, Davis, and all the other ridiculous trade suggestions just need to stop.

Those trades WILL NOT HAPPEN this offseason.

It's ridiculous to even discuss the possibility.

All of these GMs watched the Kyrie trade happen, and they know that they're MUCH better off keeping their KNOWN talent, rather than gambling on a new prospect. Also, Portland is GOOD. They're not going to trade their talent.

So dumb.
 
If Kyrie had any sense he’d get the knee scoped right now.

Boston isn’t doing shit this year anyway. But if he breaks his kneecap again trying to”tough it out” that could change his entire career arc.

Part of him going to Boston was Daddy backing tf out of decision making but now that it’s involving health I promise Drederick is lurking.

While I defended Kyries last summer trade value and his playoff dominance...I still hate him and his daddy baggage is certainly an underrated issue that follows him everywhere.


Trade also ends up looking mighty different if he blows the knee out playing without having the scope.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
Since when are expiring contracts “bad”.

More Like “positive assets”.

Also that’s assuming a guy as valuable
As Kyrie becomes available, which is unlikely. Beal and CJ certainly aren’t even close....Maybe Dame but he’s also wayyy older than Kyrie so still not as valuable. Kyrie was 25, NBA Finals game winner , top 10 in the league potential, 2 full years left...etc.

Also a draft pick is at peak value on draft night.

I don’t think Cedi or Ante would be dealbreakers for either side so I just don’t see it as a lock they’d be involved.
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Dame is older and arguably has a lower ceiling. But he would be coming off a better season than Kyrie did. Hell Lillard right now is arguably having a better season than Kyrie has ever had (I'm talking regular season here). I also don't think Kyrie's injury history should be brushed off. I bet they'd fetch comparable value in an open market.

Regardless I agree with @Rich - I just don't see Lillard demanding to leave the Blazers to join the Cavs. Especially not after this dream season they are having right now and after Lillard winds up on an All NBA team. I get that maybe getting embarrassed in the Playoffs could change that but has there ever been so much as a peep about Dame being unhappy? The biggest complaint you hear out of Dame is that he is overlooked (for All Star game, Team USA, etc.), but Cleveland is not exactly LA or Boston in terms of media attention and being on LeBron's team doesn't necessarily mean that teammates get the opportunities for individual glory as we have seen.
 
ACisKING said:
I get that maybe getting embarrassed in the Playoffs could change that but has there ever been so much as a peep about Dame being unhappy?
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Actually, yes there has. Just a few months ago reports surfaced that he questioned the direction the franchise was taking and met with management to discuss it.

ACisKING said:
but Cleveland is not exactly LA or Boston in terms of media attention and being on LeBron's team doesn't necessarily mean that teammates get the opportunities for individual glory as we have seen.
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Lillard was one of the few vocal players after Kyrie's trade request was made public, openly expressing confusion as to why anybody wouldn't want to play with LeBron. In other words, he saw the value in sacrificing stats and star-making for the opportunity to play with an all-time great, which Kyrie evidently didn't.

At the end of the day I don't think Lillard is obtainable and I'm not sure I'd trade the pick for him anyways, just addressing a couple of your points.
 
ACisKING said:
Dame is older and arguably has a lower ceiling. But he would be coming off a better season than Kyrie did. Hell Lillard right now is arguably having a better season than Kyrie has ever had (I'm talking regular season here). I also don't think Kyrie's injury history should be brushed off. I bet they'd fetch comparable value in an open market.

Regardless I agree with @Rich - I just don't see Lillard demanding to leave the Blazers to join the Cavs. Especially not after this dream season they are having right now and after Lillard winds up on an All NBA team. I get that maybe getting embarrassed in the Playoffs could change that but has there ever been so much as a peep about Dame being unhappy? The biggest complaint you hear out of Dame is that he is overlooked (for All Star game, Team USA, etc.), but Cleveland is not exactly LA or Boston in terms of media attention and being on LeBron's team doesn't necessarily mean that teammates get the opportunities for individual glory as we have seen.
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Just earlier this season Lilliard requested a meeting with Paul Allen to ask questions about the future of the franchise because they were frankly playing like shit and he was openly concerned about the roster.

They've since turned it around but that just goes to show how fragile things are in the NBA.

Obviously if I had to make a bet, Lilliard is in Portland next year. For sure.

But would I be shocked if things went so badly that he wasn't? Not at all.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
But would I be shocked if things went so badly that he wasn't? Not at all.
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You could say this about literally any player in the NBA.

So, other than those rare circumstances, winning teams don't trade young talented players with multiple years left on their contracts.
 
jvpertz said:
The safe money is on Lebron strong arming Gilbert and Kobe during free agency to move that pick for at least Damian lilard....
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Well, the pick itself is going to be made before free agency, so we'd have to trade the actual player. Depending on who it is, Portland may be less interested in a deal for Lillard.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
I just don’t get the rush to shut down hypothetical discussion? We’ve talked about basically every possible player realistic and unrealistic.

All it takes is one bad week to completely change everything in the NBA. We should all know this by now..

I could have made a similar point about Kyrie literally day before the 2017 Finals. Cavs just went 12-1 in the East. Kyrie just had one of his greatest performances of all time against Boston. Why the hell would Kyrie be on the trade market ever??

Then we lost 4-1. The team had low-key exploratory talks about Kyries trade value. Whispers about Kyries being disgruntled in the past started...and he requested a trade a month later....

Blazers are rollllling now. What happens if they get annihilated by the 6 seed and send home in the first round. McCollum and Dame start pointing fingers at each other in the locker room.

They lack roster flexibility to improve and have multiple bad contracts. Other teams start inquiring about both guards and they have some internal and external hypothetical trade talks involving both guys. Word leaks out to Dame...

He decides he wants to compete for a title and it won’t happen in Portland. He calls another meeting with Paul Allen to discuss his future. At this meeting he requests a trade.
Or he gives an ultimatum that it’s him or CJ but not both...

All of a sudden the entire equation changes.

If the Blazers have a positive playoff run....yeah probably not gonna see this happen. But if they get smacked around in 5 by the Pelicans or Spurs without Kawhi or Utah, etc.....


It’s at least worth the discussion because we know he was disgruntled with the direction of the team earlier in the year when things looked bleak and they have two guards who both could probably want to be “the guy” on offense.
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Because there are threads for nutty trade ideas and this one ain't it.
 
Rich said:
What's going to happen after the playoffs? They're gonna lose to the same team we'll likely lose to.
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Family, you know damn well not every owner in this league is Gilbert. They're going to get embarrassed by either Houston or Golden State

How much longer is the Blazers owner going to keep cutting the checks required to have a ceiling of a 2nd round exit?

I think you've gotten sucked into the hype of the recent win streak. The blazers are pretenders and that's very unlikely to change in the next 2 years so again, family, how much longer is a non Gilbert owner willing to pay for no real shot at a championship?
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
Family, you know damn well not every owner in this league is Gilbert. They're going to get embarrassed by either Houston or Golden State

How much longer is the Blazers owner going to keep cutting the checks required to have a ceiling of a 2nd round exit?

I think you've gotten sucked into the hype of the recent win streak. The blazers are pretenders and that's very unlikely to change in the next 2 years so again, family, how much longer is a non Gilbert owner willing to pay for no real shot at a championship?
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Yes Paul Allen traded Crabbe for a lesser salaried player that they then waived to save on luxury tax.

But Lillard is not Crabbe.

And Paul Allen is Paul Allen. One of the wealthiest Americans ever

He’s not going to unload Lillard just for the heck of it, unless there is a compelling reason to.
 
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