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Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%

  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%

  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%

  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%

  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%
  • Total voters
    183
Lee said:
Part of me loves this attitude, but part of me wishes he was a Browns fan so he understands our pain and how fun 7-8-1 actually was to us, lol.
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Did he mean fans or people within the organization?
 
bob2the2nd said:
i can only hope he was joking when he said he didnt know how to use power point
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The Human Q-Tip said:
I keep going back to that clip that was posted a few days ago from Hard Knocks when Freddie asked Hue about practices not being tough enough and letting too many guys sit out. Hue spoke to both Freddie and Haley like he was better than/above them -- there was no sense of true collaboration or two way respect. It was as if Hue lorded over everyone else. Freddie gives off that exact opposite vibe. He will truly listen to other coaches and coordinators because he knows he doesn't have all the answers.
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People who always want to tell you, "I understand," but show no signs of actual empathy are the fucking worst.
 
FiveThous said:
The Browns have really stepped up their media game the last year or so,it was almost non existent before that. Kudos to them for the quantam leap forward.
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I mean, what is there to talk about regarding 3-37365463737?

Non-existent is like the only way to go, or face more public humiliation.
 
So I just realized you can buy access to Football Outsiders DVOA database and charting stats for $90. I'm a pig in shit.

Football Outsiders have a stat called DVOA. DVOA is widely considered the best regression-controlled stat for the NFL. I.E., this is the RPM/BPM for football. Here is their summary.

DVOA is a method of evaluating teams, units, or players. It takes every single play during the NFL season and compares each one to a league-average baseline based on situation. DVOA measures not just yardage, but yardage towards a first down: Five yards on third-and-4 are worth more than five yards on first-and-10 and much more than five yards on third-and-12. Red zone plays are worth more than other plays. Performance is also adjusted for the quality of the opponent. DVOA is a percentage, so a team with a DVOA of 10.0% is 10 percent better than the average team, and a quarterback with a DVOA of -20.0% is 20 percent worse than the average quarterback. Because DVOA measures scoring, defenses are better when they are negative. For more detail, read below.
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I.E., DVOA looks at a players yards gained, controls for his own team's performance, the other defense's aptitude, and the other defense's performance, and creates an adjusted statistic.

This should make people excited -->
-Browns' Offensive DVOA Under Hue/Haley (Weeks 1-8): -21.01%
-Browns' Offensive DVOA Under Kitchens (Weeks 9-17): +23.66%
-Difference: 44.67%

-Browns' Offensive Pass DVOA Under Hue/Haley (Weeks 1-8): -23.95%
-Browns' Offensive Pass DVOA Under Kitchens (Weeks 9-17): +53.96%
-Difference: 77.91%

So what does this mean? Under Hue/Haley, a generic replacement team against the same opponents we played against would have gained ~21% more yards than we did. Under Kitchens, though, that same replacement team playing those same opponents would have gained ~24% less yards than we did.

This gets even crazier when you just look at the passing game. Under Hue/Haley, a generic replacement team against the same opponents we played against would have gained ~24% more yards than we did. Under Kitchens, though, that same replacement team playing those same opponents would have gained ~54% less yards than we did.

I was basing my earlier analysis of Kitchens on the data I had available. But this totally changes my mind. This stat is good - I have checked the math myself, it is consistent. Our offense, even adjusting for our opponents, totally transformed under Kitchens. Since 2010, the only two teams to make even close to the same transformations in their passing offenses were the 2015 Seattle Seahawks (+72% from Weeks 1-8 to Weeks 9-17) and the 2017 San Fransisco 49ers (+57% from pre- and post-Jimmy G.).

This Browns transformation under Kitchens was historic. I'm so pumped.

@priceFTW @TyGuy @Randolphkeys @MoFlo @AZ_ @thedarkness2332 @CBBI @The Human Q-Tip
@The Wizard of Moz
 
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FrontPageNews said:

So you think kitchens play book will just be Haley’s with his name crossed out?
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One of the biggest differences between offensive "systems" is the terminology. Keeping that the same is awesome.

In terms of the plays themselves...a lot of plays are more or less standard. So you wouldn't expect that to change. But there are pretty clearly some plays that will be "out", and Freddie obviously has added some. Monken will as well. It's just that they'll be based on the same basic terminology.
 
jking948 said:
So I just realized you can buy access to Football Outsiders DVOA database and charting stats for $90. I'm a pig in shit.

Football Outsiders have a stat called DVOA. DVOA is widely considered the best regression-controlled stat for the NFL. I.E., this is the RPM/BPM for football. Here is their summary.



I.E., DVOA looks at a players yards gained, controls for his own team's performance, the other defense's aptitude, and the other defense's performance, and creates an adjusted statistic.

This should make people excited -->
-Browns' Offensive DVOA Under Hue/Haley (Weeks 1-8): -21.01%
-Browns' Offensive DVOA Under Kitchens (Weeks 9-17): +23.66%
-Difference: 44.67%

-Browns' Offensive Pass DVOA Under Hue/Haley (Weeks 1-8): -23.95%
-Browns' Offensive Pass DVOA Under Kitchens (Weeks 9-17): +53.96%
-Difference: 77.91

So what does this mean? Under Hue/Haley, a generic replacement team against the same opponents we played against would have gained ~21% more yards than we did. Under Kitchens, though, that same replacement team playing those same opponents would have gained ~24% less yards than we did.

This gets even crazier when you just look at the passing game. Under Hue/Haley, a generic replacement team against the same opponents we played against would have gained ~24% more yards than we did. Under Kitchens, though, that same replacement team playing those same opponents would have gained ~54% less yards than we did.

I was basing my earlier analysis of Kitchens on the data I had available. But this totally changes my mind. This stat is good - I have checked the math myself, it is consistent. Our offense, even adjusting for our opponents, totally transformed under Kitchens. Since 2010, the only two teams to make even close to the same transformations in their passing offenses were the 2015 Seattle Seahawks (+72%) and the 2017 San Fransisco 49ers (+57%).

This Browns transformation under Kitchens was historic. I'm so pumped.

@priceFTW @TyGuy @Randolphkeys @MoFlo @AZ_ @thedarkness2332 @CBBI @The Human Q-Tip
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All aboard the Freddie train!

What you're talking about there is the improvement in yardage, right? To really consider the full value, I think you have to add to that the incredible drop in the number of hits taken by our rookie QB, which has independent value separate from in-game performance.

Also...I assume the numbers you pulled out for comparison by Seattle and SF were for one season over the prior season. The Browns' intra-season improvement looks all the more remarkable when you view it from that perspective.
 
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