2019 NBA Draft Lottery

rastamon87 said:

It's been quiet lately on rumors about JR trade... would be dissapointing if the Cavs doesn't get a good asset on that contract and just forced to waive him...

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it will most likely happen during the draft when teams interested in moving picks for salary savings to chase free agents can weigh the pros and cons of passing on or just taking players available in the draft.
This is why it is reasonable to assume if something happens before the draft it will be for future assets.
I think they will at minimum get a first in the 19-25 range with a 1-2 yr project attached to the bad deal for Smith if they do a deal on draft day. Obviously it would be much better to take back Johnson from Miami for 13 or Mozgov from Orlando for 16 , but those are less likely unless those orgs have strong info they can get the player they want in fa by doing so.

I don't think for one second the Cavs are taking Reddish at 5 but would consider him at 8.
I don't think the odds they take Hunter are good either provided they are committed to rebuilding
I don't think the odds they take Garland are good either except to put out there for trades
I do think they are pretty high on Culver and RJ same as they were going into the last month
so barring one falling they could easily trade down or even out of the high lottery.
No point in paying role players big contracts

rastamon87 said:

It's been quiet lately on rumors about JR trade... would be dissapointing if the Cavs doesn't get a good asset on that contract and just forced to waive him...

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The Cavs won’t move JR just to move him. I think they want an ending contract and a first round pick, preferably in 2020, in return. Whether any team will agree to that, only time will tell. I think they do have opportunities to move up from #26 using JR Smith’s contract, but they may not deem it to be worth taking on the additional salary.

It probably would take a really sweet deal for them to take on a guy with multiple years on his contract. Remember, with a bunch of expiring contracts coming up, there will be opportunities to take on other contracts with multiple years, along with an asset.

It seems hard to believe that they hung onto JR this long not to use his contract to get an asset.
They will wait for the best possible deal they can get leading up to and during the draft. Hopefully they get the offer they are looking for
and another good asset comes our way.

My guess is they have offers on the table already for the JR contract but are basically in a holding pattern until draft night.

Kiddo said:

My guess is they have offers on the table already for the JR contract but are basically in a holding pattern until draft night.

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Agreed.

It doesn't really make sense for the Cavs to deal JR before the draft has already started.

Hypothetically say the Cavs have a deal in place and the deal is JR and 26 to Miami for James Johnson and 13.

If the Cavs are truly locked in on one guy, for argument's sake say it's Bol Bol, there's absolutely no way the Cavs should risk executing the deal early only to see Bol get drafted before 13th. Then you're stuck with James Johnson's contract and you took on tens of millions of future money for your 2nd or 3rd choice.

They just need to wait until Miami/whoever they think they can deal with is on the clock and their guy is available. Then and only then do you execute the deal.

CBBI said:

Agreed.

It doesn't really make sense for the Cavs to deal JR before the draft has already started.

Hypothetically say the Cavs have a deal in place and the deal is JR and 26 to Miami for James Johnson and 13.

If the Cavs are truly locked in on one guy, for argument's sake say it's Bol Bol, there's absolutely no way the Cavs should risk executing the deal early only to see Bol get drafted before 13th. Then you're stuck with James Johnson's contract and you took on tens of millions of future money for your 2nd or 3rd choice.

They just need to wait until Miami/whoever they think they can deal with is on the clock and their guy is available. Then and only then do you execute the deal.

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They have to weigh the contract they’re taking on versus the asset and determine if it’s worth it or not. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t...

The Cavs have a bevy of ending contracts. Closer to the trade deadline, there will be opportunities to take on a bad contract(s), along with an asset(s), for one or more of those ending contracts.

In short, I don’t think it’s a certainty the JR contract gets moved, by any means. They certainly are listening and talking though.

sailfish said:

They have to weigh the contract they’re taking on versus the asset and determine if it’s worth it or not. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t...

The Cavs have a bevy of ending contracts and, closer to the trade deadline, there will be other opportunities to take on a bad contracts, along with an asset, for one or more of those ending contracts.

In short, I don’t think it’s a certainty the JR contract gets moved, by any means.

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Not trading JR's contract would be malpractice by Altman. The Cavs banished JR, but held on to him for a full season with this exact purpose in mind and now they're gonna just waive him because the contract they're taking on might be too much? After Gilbert allegedly gave the thumbs up to go into the tax again?

This is unequivocally one of the Cavs best opportunities to add a quality draft asset. A team acquiring JR's contract can open up something like 14-15 in cap space IMMEDIATELY.

CBBI said:

Not trading JR's contract would be malpractice by Altman. The Cavs banished JR, but held on to him for a full season with this exact purpose in mind and now they're gonna just waive him because the contract they're taking on might be too much? After Gilbert allegedly gave the thumbs up to go into the tax again?

This is unequivocally one of the Cavs best opportunities to add a quality draft asset. A team acquiring JR's contract can open up something like 14-15 in cap space IMMEDIATELY.

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Jr will be traded

CBBI said:

Agreed.

It doesn't really make sense for the Cavs to deal JR before the draft has already started.

Hypothetically say the Cavs have a deal in place and the deal is JR and 26 to Miami for James Johnson and 13.

If the Cavs are truly locked in on one guy, for argument's sake say it's Bol Bol, there's absolutely no way the Cavs should risk executing the deal early only to see Bol get drafted before 13th. Then you're stuck with James Johnson's contract and you took on tens of millions of future money for your 2nd or 3rd choice.

They just need to wait until Miami/whoever they think they can deal with is on the clock and their guy is available. Then and only then do you execute the deal.

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I'm not sure they will lock in on one guy for JRs contract. My guess they have broken down tiers and how much money they are willing to take in for each of those groups.

If Bol Bol was in a tier that shouldn't get to #13, I would think we would be willing to take on more salary than someone that is suppose to be at #13-15. Maybe we pass up on #13 because 4-5 players are left we like and all in the same tier to take on less salary at #16.

I wonder if we would draft Garland and then trade Sexton and JR to Phoenix for 6th overall and a bad contract (Johnson?)

If it were possible to put a player back in the draft after a year in the NBA, where would Colin fall in this draft? He was 8 last year and arguably outperformed his expectations through the year. And he is the same age as Hunter or Culver.

Like many others on the board, I am in no position to judge Garland. His brief college career is not particularly useful to evaluate, especially when compared to the body of work provided by Reddish, Hunter and Culver. Christ, Carson Edwards has shown more evidence of being a scoring guard than Garland. But to be honest, I felt the same way about Sexton. When we picked him I scratched my head and wondered what they saw in him. It turned out pretty well. Perhaps the Cavs have some magic formula that projects success or lack there of.

If they draft him, well I will root for them. But it seems areal stretch to me.

The Cavs will trade JR's deal. Very confident in this.

Whether it is for an extra pick on draft night, whether it is to move up on draft night, whether it is for future draft compensation, or whether it is for possibly even a young player in the league right now that they like....that is yet to be fully decided. For that reason though, it's unlikely anything is executed on draft night.

If they don't make a trade on draft night, it will likely be them making a deal to help facilitate another teams free agency hopes and dreams closer to the June 30th deadline for future draft compensation or a young player they like right now.

I wouldn't panic if the trade doesn't happen on draft night. The Cavs already have 5 and 26, they are exploring using cash, of which they have I believe their entire cash consideration amount still available, to buy a 2nd rounder.

The draft is considered extremely top heavy as well. Future draft compensation is very much at the forefront of their wishlist. While we've got a decent amount of 2nd's and that interesting Milwaukee pick, we still owe the Hawks a pick--hopefully and most likely 2 2nd's...but the Cavs definitely are going to put some value onto future draft compensation.

The idea is to continue to have a constant stream of young players coming in via first round picks for the forseeable future. There are also 10 days between the draft and JR's contract date---and these are generally the most important days in NBA free agency because it's when all of the decisions are usually 100% locked in. There are going to be several future first round picks available in that 10 day span.

CleveRocks said:

I wonder if we would draft Garland and then trade Sexton and JR to Phoenix for 6th overall and a bad contract (Johnson?)

If it were possible to put a player back in the draft after a year in the NBA, where would Colin fall in this draft? He was 8 last year and arguably outperformed his expectations through the year. And he is the same age as Hunter or Culver.

Like many others on the board, I am in no position to judge Garland. His brief college career is not particularly useful to evaluate, especially when compared to the body of work provided by Reddish, Hunter and Culver. Christ, Carson Edwards has shown more evidence of being a scoring guard than Garland. But to be honest, I felt the same way about Sexton. When we picked him I scratched my head and wondered what they saw in him. It turned out pretty well. Perhaps the Cavs have some magic formula that projects success or lack there of.

If they draft him, well I will root for them. But it seems areal stretch to me.

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I honestly believe that Sexton's sustainable post All-Star break play and 40% 3-point shooting season would have him at #5-#6 in this current draft.

thedarkness2332 said:

I honestly believe that Sexton's sustainable post All-Star break play and 40% 3-point shooting season would have him at #5-#6 in this current draft.

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I mean, given his rookie year in Cleveland---it's not a stretch to believe that he would have absolutely torn up the SEC and probably given them a chance at a nice tournament run. As a scorer I have to think he would have gotten similar if not much more love than Garland. He would have certainly been in that 4-8 range.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

I mean, given his rookie year in Cleveland---it's not a stretch to believe that he would have absolutely torn up the SEC and probably given them a chance at a nice tournament run. As a scorer I have to think he would have gotten similar if not much more love than Garland. He would have certainly been in that 4-8 range.

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I agree. I think #4 is where the argument begins, and by #8, if he's not gone, there's a serious issue.

I have the Big 3 over him knowing what I know now, and Culver at #4 due to his two-way potential and ability to create from the wing. After that, I think I put Sexton. He's a toss-up with Garland in my eyes--but you have more data points on Sexton, so that's where I'd lean.