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Re: The Strategy

The only strategy that I am worried about is winning that trophy THIS season then all this chatter will finally die off.

Yep. I still think that if we can achieve at least one championship this year or next Lebron will stay. :thumbup:
 
Re: The Strategy

Very interesting "strategy", it really isn't very far fetched. Although the post still belongs in the 2010 thread...
 
Sam The Bullshit Whisperer of Pro Basketball News wrote an awesome freakin' column on LeBron. He's a national writer who lives in Akron, and is gonna be on WTAM with Mike Snyder after the Bucks-Cavs game to talk more about it. I see him on Bruce Drennen's TV show all the time too. Check it out!

http://www.probasketballnews.com/amico_112608.html

I'm new and LOVE this site btw!
 
Sam The Bullshit Whisperer of Pro Basketball News wrote an awesome freakin' column on LeBron. He's a national writer who lives in Akron, and is gonna be on WTAM with Mike Snyder after the Bucks-Cavs game to talk more about it. I see him on Bruce Drennen's TV show all the time too. Check it out!

http://www.probasketballnews.com/amico_112608.html

I'm new and LOVE this site btw!

Good read. Oh, and welcome! :welcome:
 
Saw this @ Cavsfanic forums
and i 100% agree with what he said

godfather(Get me Westbrook and Rush) said:
How is Chuck stupid? You should clarify that a little more? Lebron should of as well. If Lebron is going to attack, one of the more beloved figures of the game. Love Chuck, or hate him. He has a lot of friends around the nba currently, and retired. Lot of people tune in to TNT JUST because of Barkley. Lebron making that comment is going to be something he regrets, because it just made him look even worse in this mess. Now, the one media member who seem to be legit through this entire mess. Now you have him against you, not a smart decision. It's not mature at all, to just call someone "stupid" because they gave you a little chin music that you had coming. All this talk about we "better be nice" or he'll leave is nonsense. None of us are picking on poor Lebron. We just are holding him accountable FOR HIS ACTIONS, which EVERYONE should be. If Lebron is that sensitive, then TOO BAD. He's hardly being treated poorly by majority of the fans. How would he feel in New York? If he can't take a little tough love, then he'd hate New York. They'll rip you no matter who you are.



Everyone knows Barkley has STRONG opinions. I certainly don't always agree with them, but he's not stupid. He's well educated guy, he's been around the block a few more times than Lebron. I think it's disrespectful completely by Lebron. Just like the way Shaq blasted Walton was.



Funny thing of it, Barkley NEVER meant anything vicious to Lebron. It's more helpful advice, because at a time like this. The more you TALK, the more you are painting yourself in a corner. I am shocked Lebron is talking about this. Like I said, he loves the attention. He's soaking it up for all it's worth, no matter how disrespectful he's acting to the city of Cleveland, the fans, most importantly his OWN team. Why are you talking about New York? Why is he mentioning he'd consider playing there? Why has he continued to throw fuel on the fire? He's not ONCE come out and said this is all BS. He's made comments like, Knick fans have a right to dream. Giving hints of playing there is possible. He's never flat out said what he'll do, but like I've said, he's given "flirting words" to both sides. He's being cute about this and it's just flat out unacceptable. The RIGHT thing to do, would not say ANYTHING. Lebron can't do that, and he could care less how disrespectful he looks. Just like he could care less when wearing a Yankee hat at the Jake would hurt so many people. He simply didn't care. He knew how it would effect fans, yet he seem to gloat about it. Yet people backed him for that, because he can do no wrong. I don't CARE if he likes the stupid Yankees. When you are FROM here, loved by the entire city. You show up at the Jake, wearing the enemies hat? That's just flat out disrespectful. Wilbon a Chicago guy, who has nothing to do with Cleveland. Completely ripped him for it, too.



I think Lebron thinks he's untouchable. That he can do anything he wants, and is above it all. Frankly, I'm tired of giving him the "golden pass" because he's the King. There's no real King in Cleveland, and no one is bigger than Cleveland. We've had sports before Lebron, we'll have them after. I, for one, don't live and breath for him. I like him, I respect what he does on the floor. I cheer him and support him on the floor. I respect his private life and could care less what it is(as long as he's not shooting up clubs). I don't tolerate disrespect when it's unwarranted.
 
Re: The Strategy

The only strategy that I am worried about is winning that trophy THIS season then all this chatter will finally die off.

Understandable SplitVizionz....

However, I think that is also part of the strategy. The point of this thread wasn't so much what LeBron was thinking, but rather, what Ferry and Gilbert was thinking. If Danny and Gilbert believe that there ability to get LeBron to extend next summer rests in their ability to put together a team that is the defending Champions, and a likely dynasty (by next summer), then there is a good possibility that the Cavaliers have a road mapped-out.

LeBron is an emotional guy. If we win the Championship this year, and a certain reporter asks him about New York... What happens when LeBron says, loud and clear: "I'm not leaving Cleveland." ???

Suppose for a moment that this media madness is not the lone work of "WorldWide"... Imagine for a moment, that Gilbert used his connections (much deeper than Wes's outside the NBA) and Ferry helped out. What if LeBron and the front office used this as a strategy?

Wes,Dan,Danny,LeBron get together and make a plan. By getting all of those teams talking, that means teams will be dumping players en-masse'; all for the shot at LeBron...and Wade & Bosh.

Meanwhile, the Cavs have positioned themselves to take advantage of the situation. Look at the deals that expire over the next year and a half (not including Anderson Varejao): <label for="362">Zydrunas Ilgauskas , </label>Sasha Pavlovic, Eric Snow, Wally Szczerbiak, <label for="885">Ben Wallace, </label><label for="959">Lorenzen Wright , </label><label for="2850">Jawad Williams, </label>Tarence Kinsey

Thats 10 players, not including Anderson. Those 10 players represent $53,000,000 , and if you add Varejao to that, it's 60 million.

If LeBron signs an extension, then that means his salary stays on the current contract for 2010, which also means that the Cavaliers won't have a $19 million hold against their cap. The players definitely under contract that year would be Lebron, Hickson, Jackson, West, Gibson, and Mo Williams. If we re-sign Anderson to say... 10 million a year, then you only remove 4 million from the 53+ million of expiring deals. That means we'd have 49 million. Lets assume we sign someone to the mid-level exception next year..and use the rest of this year's too, and that they BOTH run past 2010 (unlikely...but lets do it for argument's sake). That would take away another 11 million. So we now ould have 38 million. Let us assume if we sign 2 mid-level deals that run that long, that they will be rotation players (duh) and one will be a big and one a wing. Let's also assume that we re-sign Ilgauskas to a team friendly deal in 2010... say 3 million a year. That leaves us with 35 million.

Yeah, but we are probably going to trade Wally this year, you say?

Okay, let's trade wally for a guy signed for 5 years, at the exact same salary as Wally. We now havebetween 20-22 million to spend.

And that is with a championship caliber team. Our rotation:

C: Hickson/Ilgauskas/Mid-level guy#1
PF:Anderson/Jackson/
SF:LeBron/Mid-Level guy#2
SG:Delonte West/Daniel Gibson
PG: Mo Williams/Gibson

(I haven't added the player we traded Wally for, as it could be any number of people..but would definitely be a starter type player...even if we use him off the bench)

(I also haven't added the likely free-agent signings we's make - see below-)

With the money left (20-22 million) we can sign Chris Bosh to a max deal. And if W&G is right, then that is where he'd sign...with us. After Bosh is signed, we'd have between 5-7 million left to sign another free-agent.

And add to that, the players who would sign for the Vet minimum to play for a champion... Jason Kidd...Steve Nash?

Now... let's say that we use the Knicks... the team that EVERYONE seems to think LeBron is headed to. Let's see what they could do (we have to do some assuming here, because their players aren't accomplished yet, so we will assume that certain players work-out for them).

The New York Knicks, in 2010 only have one player with a guaranteed contract( as of today): Jared Jeffries. Let's assume they trade him for some lug that expires in 2010.

The Knicks will have 78 million is salary cap holds. This includes: <label for="3194">Wilson Chandler, </label><label for="990">Eddy Curry, </label>The player(s) they get for Jared Jeffries, <label for="566">Cuttino Mobley, </label>Quentin Richardson, <label for="847">Tim Thomas</label> , and <label for="2817">Anthony Roberson</label>

If we assume they let Malik, Jerome and Harrington go, denouncing their rights, and signing 3 free-agents to minimum 1 year deals, that now puts their hold at 80 million.... plus the 11 million for the contracts of Robinson and Lee. That puts them at 91 million.

Let us assume that Chris Duhon is re-signed for the same amount he makes that year, 7 Million. Let us also assume that Tyson Chandler is everything they hope for, but not quite a star (else they'd have to pay him big bucks)...let's just say that he is a real good player. He re-signs for a contract starting at 6 million a year (probably more...but left give them the benefit of the doubt). That put their cap at 94 million. Lets say that Danilo Gallinari also works out; doesnt have any more injuries, and plays like a fringe all-star. He re-signs for 8 million a year. Now the cap is at 98 million. Then they have their first round pick that year, and the second rounder that year plus the previous year. those will equal about 5 million assuming they dont win the lottery. 103 million. Now, let us assume they renounce the rights to ALL of their free-agents AND to all of their exceptions (exceptions count against the cap if a team is under the slary cap).

That puts them at: That puts their signed players at $38 million dollars. However, since they have less that 12 players on their roster, they have a roster charge for each player under 12 that equals the Rookie minimum salary for 2010 ($457,588). They have:
Duhon,Lee,Robinson,Chandler, and Danilo plus the three draft picks (they dont have a 1st round pick in 09). That means they have 8 players under contract. 4 player roster charge equals about 2 million.

That puts their payroll at 40 million. Their roster is made-up of sophmore, 2 rookies, Duhon, Chandler, Lee, Robinson, and Danilo. They have approximately $25 million in cap space.

Notice their line-up. Do you expect that group to be better than the supporting cast LeBron had in 06 or 07?

They also will need to convince Bosh or another star to take less than the Max.... AND they still have to sign role-players, as even with Bosh and LeBron, they only have 10 players... 3 under the minimum.

IF their current players ALL pan out, then they would have a decent starting line-up, and no bench, no chemistry, and unlikely to win a championship.

Cleveland on the other hand, may be coming off of back-to-back championships, have an entire roster of young, championship-tested players, and have the ability to sign a maximum free-agent...plus another free-agent.

Don't get me wrong. New York "could" possibly put together a good team by then, but they'll need to trade Curry next year for a very-good talent... they will need to trade either Richardson or Mobley for a couple of good role-players (next summer), they will need to trade Jeffries for more than an expiring contract.

New York's job is a LOT more difficult than Cleveland's, even if the media is trying to convince you otherwise.
 
About the whole Barkley thing......


I was shocked and appalled when I heard what LeBron had to say back to Sir Charles. Barkley was one of the very few sticking up for us fans in Cleveland and LeBron dismissed him like he was crazy. It was a slap in the face to Cleveland fans, a blatant one. He could have just said I disagree and moved on. Instead he attacked a Hall of Famer, when LeBron is suppose to be the one who respects the history of the game. Have some respect for others who have been in your situation before and stop acting like a 23 year old young punk.

I expect nothing less than an apology to come from LeBron about this. His publicist had to have been on vacation right?
 
As for LBJ's stupid and fat Barkley comments, I think he was trying to say what Charles would say...
 
Asked about the different stories he told various reporters, including conflicting statements about his age, hometown and even his full name, Dizzy Dean said, "Them ain't lies. Them's scoops." These days, LeBron James is channeling Ol' Diz.
On June 29, James told WKNR 850's Mark "Munch" Bishop, "I'm dedicated to bringing a championship to this city. I'm bringing a parade to this city. I love this city. I love Northeast Ohio. Right now, I can't see myself going anywhere else."
The next week, he called New York his favorite city and Brooklyn his favorite borough in it.
Since the Nets are to move to Brooklyn in time for James' free-agency season in 2010, and since James' friend, the rapper Jay-Z, has a small part of the Nets' ownership, this was proof that James was halfway out The Q's door.
Except James has a pattern of pledging his allegiance to various teams and various places --- at various times.


He convinced a Sports Illustrated reporter that he was an Ohio State fan in early 2003. James and his Akron high school teammates were playing on ESPN the night after the collegiate football championship game. The story depicted an ebullient James in his Los Angeles hotel room, celebrating the Buckeyes' double-overtime victory. Or was he made happier than anything by the loss of the Miami Hurricanes in the game?
By Olympic training camp in Jacksonville, Fla., in 2004, James was presenting himself as a fan of Florida State. "I've always been a Seminole," he said, despite going directly from high school in Akron to the NBA.
Over the years, he has said how fond he is of Southern Cal (when in Los Angeles), of Oregon (when in Portland), of North Carolina (in Charlotte), and of Michigan State (in Detroit.) If he had had to go to college, he would have needed a closet full of freshman beanies.
When young, he followed the pro teams that were powers in the 1990s -- the Dallas Cowboys, Chicago Bulls and the Yankees. The Yankees seem to be the only one that has stuck, at least in ballcap controversies. Even at that, cameras caught him in an Indians cap when the 2008 Olympic team gathered for early meetings recently.
What is important is that James' favorite team really is the Cavs. He likes his teammates and coach and is well-liked by them. He wants his supporting cast to get better. Considering how much he has done for the team and city, he is entitled to say that.
Certainly when he was younger, James told people what they wanted to hear. He has not entirely gotten over that inclination.
His comments about various cities also might be nothing more than a way of attracting the spotlight in times when the news is slow. But they seem to indicate a tug of war between the crossover appeal of the acting and music opportunities in New York and the ties of family and friends he has to Northeast Ohio.
If Cleveland does not offer the entertainment forums of New York, it also offers enough unconditional love to trump any rival. He has "Chosen 1" tattooed on his back, but we chose him as franchise and city savior.
What he says ain't necessarily lies, but it ain't news either. It will take a while to find out what's the scoop with him.
 
every single person in the worl has or will were a yankee cap at sometime in their life. its the cool thing. when you think of good hats you think yankees. just cuz he wore 1 means absolutely nothing. i have worn them before and dont like the yankees. i dont hate them but they certainly arren't my favorite team
 
i have a yankees hat and i hate baseball
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLK3r94CdA look at the end of this video i love yall i love cleveland i aint going nowhere...be confidant guys Lebron likes cleveland if we can win or content for a championship every year he'll stay

And then two weeks later he clarified and said he didn't mean he'd never leave Cleveland but just that Ohio would always "be home".
 
Anyone post this?

It's from TMZ though, not sure if they are reliable at all. More like a tabloid.
It's a clash of the titan egos as Lebron James looks forward to putting some serious money where Charles Barkley's mouth is.

The Cleveland Cavalier is calling Charles Barkley "stupid," firing back at remarks that Charles Barkley recently made saying James needs to "shut the hell up" because he isn't showing respect for Cleveland fans and his teammates by discussing a possible free agency following the 2010 season.

But hey -- with the Knicks clearing up some salary-cap space in anticipation of the 2010 free-agent status, it's easy to see how Barkley's sideline advice might fall on deaf ears.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/11/29/barkley-to-lebron-youre-too-cavalier/
 
Yea, it is true and got posted.
 
Barkley is an idiot that is the thing. He is no where near a top 10 player of all time like LeBron may very well be (most likely will) and the only achievement Barkley has that LeBron doesn't is a season MVP. LeBron has already lost in the finals is possibly a better player than Chuck ever was. better scorer, better defender.

I don't agree with LeBron for saying it, but then again I don't believe Barkley should have opened his mouth, considering during his career he would have already messed up this 2010 thing back in 2005. Barkley is not smart either. Listen to the way he talks.
 

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