Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread

macbdog said:

Watson would be the most vile person in the game to them. He's being defended almost solely because the Browns will be f.u.c.k.ed if he gets a lengthy suspension.

It's pretty funny, the old cliche 'where there is smoke there is fire' one would think would apply here, and maybe, just maybe, over 20 accusers may be on yo a despicable pattern of behavior might be on to something. Behavior one would not welcome in any leader of a business, let alone the *centerpiece* of a multi billion dollar entertainment company. But folks will take up some bizarre positions to defend the brand, even if their only actual stake is a one sided emotional one. This stuff with Watson is going to be a distraction for 2-3 years, and it really seems totally bizarre that the Browns traded assets to get involved in this circus. But hey, I'm just gonna sit back with a bag of popcorn and do the Cage 'You don't Say?' face at each new turn in this. Browns gonna Brown.

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selby56 said:

Not trying to open a can of worms (too late?), but I wonder how most Browns fans would feel about Watson and his allegations if he went to the Steelers, Ravens, or Bengals instead.

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The Human Q-Tip said:

I'm just going to add this about the dangers of the "me-too" presumption that women always tell the truth.

I have nephew who was falsely accused in California of having assaulted his female housemate, and committing battery on an elderly male friend of hers. He was an honorably discharged veteran who had no criminal record, and there were no witnesses, yet the pro victim California judicial system set his bail at a ridiculous $100,000. He ran headlong into that "me too" presumption, and into California legal provisions that forbade any inquiry into the background of the accuser to prevent "victim-blaming.". His court-appointed lawyer, who did no real investigation and advised him to block her phone number, also advised him to accept a plea deal that would have resulted in one to three years in prison.

My nephew was incredibly fortunate to have family out of state that refused to accept that. We got him bailed out so he could tell us his side of the story without being listened to in jail, and we investigated. To make a long story short, the whole thing had been made up by the female because she was angry at him for preparing to move out. We found two witnesses to verify that she had actually sustained her injuries at the house of her boyfriend, and the alleged elder abuse claim was made by a man to whom she had been married for purposes of immigration fraud, and she'd coerced him. We got all this information to the court appointed attorney, and the charges were dropped. She subsequently texted him to apologize for having made it all up, saying that she was just angry.

But if my nephew had not had competent outside advocates acting on his behalf, who have enough money to bail him out, he would have rotted for years in a California prison, life completely ruined. So unless I'm to assume that this situation was completely unique, it's apparent to me that there are likely plenty of innocent dudes serving jail time in California.

Of course, there are likely many more guilty guys serving prison terms in California. But this is why each case has to be evaluated and investigated properly on its own merits. Assuming that women are all telling the truth because of the "me too" movement is toxic, and dangerous.

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bob2the2nd said:

but dont tell me because someone filed a false report aginst your cousin or against me that we shouldnt believe any of these women. its a disingenuous argument.

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bob2the2nd said:

Yup, I believe 5% of all reports are considered falsified, one of which was filed against myself. It sucked. It cost me my job plus 25k to fight it. You are absolutely correct we should be taking each incident with a grain of salt. However these are the exceptions. We should absolutely be looking at each of these individually, but dont tell me because someone filed a false report aginst your cousin or against me that we shouldnt believe any of these women. its a disingenuous argument.

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Ohio said:

If one thing has been made abundantly clear during this saga, it's that everyone has their own agenda.

For instance, I wonder how you would feel about Watson and his allegations if he played at South Carolina instead of Clemson.

Similarly, I wonder how Baker fans would feel about Watson and his allegations if Baker never played for the Browns.

My overall point? There are very, very few sports fans who genuinely care about what happens off the field. The rest are just serving whatever narrative fits their agenda and lying to themselves in the process.

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The Human Q-Tip said:

And that is a wildly disingenuous characterization of my post.

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Steve_424 said:

Apologies if this was already posted. Also, apologies for posting a Lima tweet.

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bob2the2nd said:

This to me is the part about number 24 that is most interesting. Was Watson lying to his lawyer/Browns/NFL? did he just not remember this women (most likely), but if this women is completely new to his lawyer/Browns/NFL its a very bad thing.

edit: @bushwick_bill thanks for the followup tweet, its a good clarification

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