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2023 Browns Offseason Thread: Tamper Time Is Upon Us

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Schwartz interviewing today, Flores going tomorrow. Feels telling the other two guys don’t have firm days set up yet.

 
I was listening to the OBR podcast with Jake Burns and his guest Quincy Carter. He made a good point about Brian Flores and his desire to want this job. They think it could be a detriment that Flores takes the DC job because he does not want to be a lame duck interim HC if Stefanski is fired next year. They made the correct assumption that the Browns instability at the top could hurt us and they really need to sell Flores on the idea that there will not be major moves or shake ups next year. Something to ponder....
The key word is 'interim'. If Flores ends up coming here, it's with the implication that he ends up as the permanent HC if Stefanski gets canski'd. That probably can't be written into an NFL contract due to Rules, but a promise like that is how they get him. And that's is Flores doesn't get another HC job this offseason.
 
Some interesting nuggets from Breer--


From MattyD (@MattDeJesus20): If the Patriots are to hire an official offensive coordinator, who are your top three candidates? People who Bill might actually hire, something realistic?

1. Bill O'Brien
2. Klff Kingsbury
3. Nick Caleyy


And one bonus name—Browns pass-game coordinator Chad O’Shea. The 50-year-old spent a decade in the Patriots’ system, called Miami’s offense for a year, and now has spent three years in the sort of Mike Shanahan–style system that Belichick has so long respected and tried to take from. His return after waiting for, and not getting, a promotion in New England, and leaving because of that, wouldn’t be unlike Brian Daboll’s return to the Patriots in 2014.

From Tyler Johnson (@T_johnson_TJ): Who do you believe the #Browns will hire as defensive coordinator?

Tyler, I really like their candidates, and I do think it’s indicative, to some degree, of former Lions GM Bob Quinn’s growing influence in the organization—three of the four guys interviewing were raised in the business by Bill Belichick, just like Quinn. The one who doesn’t have such ties is Seattle assistant Sean Desai, who is friendly with Kevin Stefanski, a favorite of the Browns’ analytics team, and competed against the Browns coach for years in the NFC North.

If I had to peg a favorite right now, I’d probably go with a Pittsburgh senior defensive assistant, linebackers coach Brian Flores, and I have heard owner Jimmy Haslam is a fan of his. Patriots linebackers coach Jerod Mayo has merit, too, in that there have been a lot of coordinator-type functions to his job with the Patriots—he runs meetings and helps design the defense and game plans—and he could be a culture-changer for a unit that, in an honest moment, Browns people would tell you they need on defense.

Conversely, going with Jim Schwartz (whose connection to Belichick is actually from Cleveland) would represent two different things. The first would be scheme familiarity—what he would presumably bring is a lot closer to the Pete Carroll style of defense that Joe Woods ran the past three years in Cleveland. The second is a connection to GM Andrew Berry, from the time the two were together in Philadelphia.

So, again, I’d say Flores is probably the one, with the added benefit of such a hire kicking the legs out from underneath a division rival. We’ll see what happens.
 

Jim Schwartz Presents Safe And Logical Choice For Browns Defensive Coordinator Wishlist

By Jake Burns

The Browns have a major decision to make at defensive coordinator and it's not your run-of-the-mill decision for a coaching hire. This hire has the ability to change the course of the franchise or set it back to the relaunch phase we have seen many times since the relaunch of the organization in 1999.

With Kevin Stefanski set to enter his fourth year at the helm of the organization, he is trying to light a spark under a defense that fell flat on too many key occasions. With the hire being about more than just X's and O's, the Browns know they have to find the right guy for the role. The role that entails being the CEO of the Browns' defense to match the CEO Stefanski is to the Browns' offense.

Earlier this week, Stefanski and general manager Andrew Berry spoke on the topic of what they will be looking for in upcoming hire. “I don’t know if there is one specific set of criteria. We are excited about some of the people who we will be able to talk to, and everybody’s résumé is going to be a little bit different so I am very open-minded in that regard. This is a process that you have to stay true to. I want to make sure that we meet with all of the candidates and understand what they are about. I don’t want to get ahead of ourselves, so of speak. I want to make sure that we remain true to it, trust in it, really get to know these candidates, and see how that vision fits in with what we are trying to accomplish.”

The first name set to face the Browns today was Jim Schwartz. The experienced defensive mind who got his start in the NFL under Bill Belichick as a personnel scout in Cleveland from 1993-1995 and eventually broke into leading the Tennessee Titans defense for nearly a decade in the 2000s. Schwartz got his first crack at running an organization with the Detriot Lions head coaching job in 2009, but the tenure ended after disappointment in 2013. Since then, Schwartz's main calling card has been running defenses again, as he led the Buffalo Bills defense in 2014, and then the Super Bowl-winning Eagles from 2016-2020.

Schwartz currently finds himself as a Senior defensive assistant with the Titans again, helping pump his ideas into a stellar defense this past year.

So, why Cleveland and why now is what you should be asking. Let's have a look.

Culture Fit​

When analyzing Schwartz for the Cleveland role, I find several experiences to be noteworthy. First and foremost, the most recent makes the most sense. The Browns aren't getting the old version of Schwartz from his 2000s Titans run or his Lions days, but rather the one who led the Eagles' defenses through extreme highs and a falling out at the end with Doug Pederson, and most notably, the one who is playing a key role in expanding the scope of Mike Vrable's Titans defenses.

Before we dig into the scheme, though, we first should look at the man and what those who play for him have had to say about him. Sure, the scheme left plenty to be desired under Joe Woods, but it often lacked the correct culture, and that was their biggest undoing on that side of the ball. Schwartz seems to check plenty of the correct boxes in this field.

Schwartz brings a reputation as a fiery leader who can turn the switch on and off based on the game, practice, or whatever the team needs. The Eagles' core group late in Schwartz's tenure spoke about the intimidating nature of the veteran defensive coordinator.

"Nah, not at all. He's only 5-foot-5!" joked Timmy Jernigan, who is 6-foot-2, 295 pounds. "Nah, he ain't intimidating. But he's like a little Tic-Tac, man -- little, but he packs a lot of power. That's Coach Schwartz. But we respect the hell out of him. I never heard a guy disrespect him or anything of that nature. We've got the utmost respect for him and we love playing for him."

The Eagles' praise for Schwartz went beyond just his attitude but also into how his mind is fixated on winning.

A veteran safety at the time, Malcolm Jenkins, noted the input he allows his players to have in order to demand the accountability necessary. "Everyone contributes, and that's the fun part about it. It's not one of those things where he's just playing Madden with us as players and we have no say or control over the defense. He trusts us, which makes us prepare and take ownership and make sure that we hold ourselves accountable to him. It's a great relationship where he plays to our strength so we're able to go out there and have success. I've been around coordinators that don't like that -- it's more about their scheme and what they want to do, how they want to look."

The players who speak on Schwartz trend toward the praise we see here, and that will draw the organization's respect in the coming process.

Unlocking Front Pressure​

Now, when digging into the scheme, there are plenty of parallels between the Browns' current personnel and the 4-3 approach Jim Schwartz has run throughout his career. The difference for Schwartz has been his ability to unlock pressure with the front four through his wide-9 defensive alignment and the tools of pass-rush lanes that allow his best players to get into the best spots.

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Former Eagles defensive end Chris Long noted the adaptability."It's not about him, it's about winning, and I think players appreciate that. He's got as good of schemes as anybody I've played for -- and I've played for some good D-coordinators -- but he also knows when to use the exotic stuff and when to stick to the nuts and bolts."

Take this chart for example when looking at how hard life has been for Browns' key rushers.

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The goal for the next defensive leader of the Browns has to be chasing the easiest path for his best pash rusher to thrive. Too often Myles Garrett has had to deal with higher degrees of burden to reach the high levels of success he does as shown above.

The Ringer's Benjamin Solak noted this scheme is exactly right for Garrett. "If that edge rusher has a quick first step and the flexibility to bend around the arc, he should feast in Schwartz’s defense. Such was the case in 2021 when Landry produced a career-best 12 sacks and 22 quarterback hits, which led to his first Pro Bowl berth. Schwartz’s wide, attacking defensive line also creates big interior lanes through which pass-rushing defensive tackles can wreak havoc."

The Browns will have to aim to bolster their interior to match the talent Schwartz has been accustomed to in his NFL coaching days. Think Albert Haynesworth in Tennessee in those early days, Fletcher Cox with the Eagles, and now Justin Simmons with the Titans. There are ways to attack this issue, but personnel needs to be improved.

In 2020, the year before Schwartz's arrival, the Titans blitzed on 28.7% of the snaps (16th in the NFL), but they only hurried the quarterback on 7.2% of their plays (29th).

In 2021, during Schwartz's first season, Tennessee only blitzed 19.9% of the time (5th fewest in the NFL), but they still managed to hurry the quarterback 11.2% of the time (11th in the NFL). In 2022, they once again found top-15 pressure rates without rushing more than four defenders and converted those to sacks 25 times, good for 9th in the NFL.

Coverage Evolution​


The looming question for Schwartz is what style of defense he will prefer in the back half of his defense. This is admittedly the weaker area of his defensive expertise. Still, many who have seen his fronts match the coverage identities of Titans defensive coordinator Shane Bowen think the two solved the perfect marriage.

As more defenses have gone to split0safety looks as the baseline for their coverage in the modern NFL, the single-high looks from Schwartz left too many vulnerabilities. With Schwartz's propensity to use the wide-9 and dual 3-technique interior players to create pash rush havoc, he also knows he had to move a man down into the box to remain gap-sound against the run. This was an issue with the Eagles late in his tenure.

The Titans were able to use more split-safety looks and support the run from those looks over the last few years. The question is if that was Bowen's hardline decision and whether Schwartz will look to take those learned principles with him and apply them to his next destination.

The Titans' defense used those split-coverage quarters, cover-2, and cover-6 looks more than you might expect for a defense that dominated the run en route to the league's best run defense overall. However, the pass defense EPA was 28th in the league and you tread a dangerous risk/reward when you run that aggressive approach. Perhaps the Browns are ready to trust their deeper secondary to handle the duties the Titans could not. The decision will give us that answer.

There are clear similarities between the Browns' current defensive approach, scheme, and personnel to what Schwartz has done in the past. The fit is there. We will see if the Browns want to mesh those things together and bring Schwartz to Cleveland or if they prefer a total overhaul.
 
This idea that Flores could be the HC in waiting in case KS gets fired is peak Browns fandom self inflicted misery. Why does anybody believe that?
Or, it's what we watched the basketball team do 2x in 5 years. I just don't see a downside. If Flores does his thing and the defense improves, then he is helping Stefanski keep his job. Flores boosts his resume as he continues to be a HC candidate. Win for Browns, Flores and Kevin. If Stefanski still can't get the offense together, he gets canned, and the Browns have an immediate successor with HC experience and the trust of the franchise QB. Win for Browns.and Flores.
 
I do think the dynamic of Stefanski/Flores on staff is an interesting one particularly when you consider the potential external pressure..

For one, I have much more faith in Stefanski than Hue but you also saw what happened with Haley & Hue and provides context into what can happen..

For two, candidates have guaranteed money in their deals so any firing is really not an issue... They'll get theirs and the quickest way Flores gets back to being a head coach is through being a DC again not by a defensive assistant.. I don't think any potential turnover to Flores is of concern, nor to many of these candidates..

My main concern is this: How is Flores going to be looked at when the first sign of trouble hits next year? Say the Browns start 1-2, 2-3 or 3-4 -- anything less than what's expected... You can bet every caller on the radio, many media members and most fans will probably want Stefanski fired and Flores hired... To be honest, I think that's a motivating factor for those who see Flores as the guy -- they like him as a fallback option... While the Browns internally may not believe to be an issue we already know how incredibly toxic this town/team can become and the dynamic of what is perceived by some to be a better HC candidate on staff I can't imagine that it plays out well..

I also have to imagine internally how it would play out if they struggle out of the gate and Flores is on staff.. While Watson has said all the right things regarding Stefanski, it was well out there Watson wanted to be with Flores... What happens if the offense gets off to a slow start within the first few games, is Watson going to privately be pining for Flores to take over?

I just think the dynamic of a Stefanski/Flores is a true tight rope act with all the things orbiting around both of them... Things really have to go right, and go right quickly, for it to work well... There's just a lot under the bridge to consider and feels it has all the ingredients to provide us the latest coaching drama..

To be honest, it's part of the reason why I prefer Schwartz... I think he truly would be a complimentary and supportive piece for Stefanski... He's been a head coach in this league, he's ran a defense successfully (to a Super Bowl) next to a first time head coach and has did so in one of the fiercest towns (Philly)... He's likely at a point in his career where head coaching is off the table and isn't gunning to use this as a stepping stone (like Flores might be) for his next position.. There's something to be said for someone having accomplished a lot and being content with where they're at versus someone who is still trying to climb the mountain...

I just think a lot has to go right for Flores/Stefanski to work and I don't have all the confidence that Cleveland is that right place here and now..
 

Jim Schwartz Presents Safe And Logical Choice For Browns Defensive Coordinator Wishlist

By Jake Burns

The Browns have a major decision to make at defensive coordinator and it's not your run-of-the-mill decision for a coaching hire. This hire has the ability to change the course of the franchise or set it back to the relaunch phase we have seen many times since the relaunch of the organization in 1999.

With Kevin Stefanski set to enter his fourth year at the helm of the organization, he is trying to light a spark under a defense that fell flat on too many key occasions. With the hire being about more than just X's and O's, the Browns know they have to find the right guy for the role. The role that entails being the CEO of the Browns' defense to match the CEO Stefanski is to the Browns' offense.

Earlier this week, Stefanski and general manager Andrew Berry spoke on the topic of what they will be looking for in upcoming hire. “I don’t know if there is one specific set of criteria. We are excited about some of the people who we will be able to talk to, and everybody’s résumé is going to be a little bit different so I am very open-minded in that regard. This is a process that you have to stay true to. I want to make sure that we meet with all of the candidates and understand what they are about. I don’t want to get ahead of ourselves, so of speak. I want to make sure that we remain true to it, trust in it, really get to know these candidates, and see how that vision fits in with what we are trying to accomplish.”

The first name set to face the Browns today was Jim Schwartz. The experienced defensive mind who got his start in the NFL under Bill Belichick as a personnel scout in Cleveland from 1993-1995 and eventually broke into leading the Tennessee Titans defense for nearly a decade in the 2000s. Schwartz got his first crack at running an organization with the Detriot Lions head coaching job in 2009, but the tenure ended after disappointment in 2013. Since then, Schwartz's main calling card has been running defenses again, as he led the Buffalo Bills defense in 2014, and then the Super Bowl-winning Eagles from 2016-2020.

Schwartz currently finds himself as a Senior defensive assistant with the Titans again, helping pump his ideas into a stellar defense this past year.

So, why Cleveland and why now is what you should be asking. Let's have a look.

Culture Fit​

When analyzing Schwartz for the Cleveland role, I find several experiences to be noteworthy. First and foremost, the most recent makes the most sense. The Browns aren't getting the old version of Schwartz from his 2000s Titans run or his Lions days, but rather the one who led the Eagles' defenses through extreme highs and a falling out at the end with Doug Pederson, and most notably, the one who is playing a key role in expanding the scope of Mike Vrable's Titans defenses.

Before we dig into the scheme, though, we first should look at the man and what those who play for him have had to say about him. Sure, the scheme left plenty to be desired under Joe Woods, but it often lacked the correct culture, and that was their biggest undoing on that side of the ball. Schwartz seems to check plenty of the correct boxes in this field.

Schwartz brings a reputation as a fiery leader who can turn the switch on and off based on the game, practice, or whatever the team needs. The Eagles' core group late in Schwartz's tenure spoke about the intimidating nature of the veteran defensive coordinator.

"Nah, not at all. He's only 5-foot-5!" joked Timmy Jernigan, who is 6-foot-2, 295 pounds. "Nah, he ain't intimidating. But he's like a little Tic-Tac, man -- little, but he packs a lot of power. That's Coach Schwartz. But we respect the hell out of him. I never heard a guy disrespect him or anything of that nature. We've got the utmost respect for him and we love playing for him."

The Eagles' praise for Schwartz went beyond just his attitude but also into how his mind is fixated on winning.

A veteran safety at the time, Malcolm Jenkins, noted the input he allows his players to have in order to demand the accountability necessary. "Everyone contributes, and that's the fun part about it. It's not one of those things where he's just playing Madden with us as players and we have no say or control over the defense. He trusts us, which makes us prepare and take ownership and make sure that we hold ourselves accountable to him. It's a great relationship where he plays to our strength so we're able to go out there and have success. I've been around coordinators that don't like that -- it's more about their scheme and what they want to do, how they want to look."

The players who speak on Schwartz trend toward the praise we see here, and that will draw the organization's respect in the coming process.

Unlocking Front Pressure​

Now, when digging into the scheme, there are plenty of parallels between the Browns' current personnel and the 4-3 approach Jim Schwartz has run throughout his career. The difference for Schwartz has been his ability to unlock pressure with the front four through his wide-9 defensive alignment and the tools of pass-rush lanes that allow his best players to get into the best spots.

11567401.jpg


Former Eagles defensive end Chris Long noted the adaptability."It's not about him, it's about winning, and I think players appreciate that. He's got as good of schemes as anybody I've played for -- and I've played for some good D-coordinators -- but he also knows when to use the exotic stuff and when to stick to the nuts and bolts."

Take this chart for example when looking at how hard life has been for Browns' key rushers.

11567372.jpeg

The goal for the next defensive leader of the Browns has to be chasing the easiest path for his best pash rusher to thrive. Too often Myles Garrett has had to deal with higher degrees of burden to reach the high levels of success he does as shown above.

The Ringer's Benjamin Solak noted this scheme is exactly right for Garrett. "If that edge rusher has a quick first step and the flexibility to bend around the arc, he should feast in Schwartz’s defense. Such was the case in 2021 when Landry produced a career-best 12 sacks and 22 quarterback hits, which led to his first Pro Bowl berth. Schwartz’s wide, attacking defensive line also creates big interior lanes through which pass-rushing defensive tackles can wreak havoc."

The Browns will have to aim to bolster their interior to match the talent Schwartz has been accustomed to in his NFL coaching days. Think Albert Haynesworth in Tennessee in those early days, Fletcher Cox with the Eagles, and now Justin Simmons with the Titans. There are ways to attack this issue, but personnel needs to be improved.

In 2020, the year before Schwartz's arrival, the Titans blitzed on 28.7% of the snaps (16th in the NFL), but they only hurried the quarterback on 7.2% of their plays (29th).

In 2021, during Schwartz's first season, Tennessee only blitzed 19.9% of the time (5th fewest in the NFL), but they still managed to hurry the quarterback 11.2% of the time (11th in the NFL). In 2022, they once again found top-15 pressure rates without rushing more than four defenders and converted those to sacks 25 times, good for 9th in the NFL.

Coverage Evolution​


The looming question for Schwartz is what style of defense he will prefer in the back half of his defense. This is admittedly the weaker area of his defensive expertise. Still, many who have seen his fronts match the coverage identities of Titans defensive coordinator Shane Bowen think the two solved the perfect marriage.

As more defenses have gone to split0safety looks as the baseline for their coverage in the modern NFL, the single-high looks from Schwartz left too many vulnerabilities. With Schwartz's propensity to use the wide-9 and dual 3-technique interior players to create pash rush havoc, he also knows he had to move a man down into the box to remain gap-sound against the run. This was an issue with the Eagles late in his tenure.

The Titans were able to use more split-safety looks and support the run from those looks over the last few years. The question is if that was Bowen's hardline decision and whether Schwartz will look to take those learned principles with him and apply them to his next destination.

The Titans' defense used those split-coverage quarters, cover-2, and cover-6 looks more than you might expect for a defense that dominated the run en route to the league's best run defense overall. However, the pass defense EPA was 28th in the league and you tread a dangerous risk/reward when you run that aggressive approach. Perhaps the Browns are ready to trust their deeper secondary to handle the duties the Titans could not. The decision will give us that answer.

There are clear similarities between the Browns' current defensive approach, scheme, and personnel to what Schwartz has done in the past. The fit is there. We will see if the Browns want to mesh those things together and bring Schwartz to Cleveland or if they prefer a total overhaul.

Is "safe and logical" where the Browns should go with this choice? I'm not saying Schwartz should be out, but something about the title of this article feels disappointing. Maybe it's just me.
 
I do think the dynamic of Stefanski/Flores on staff is an interesting one particularly when you consider the potential external pressure..

For one, I have much more faith in Stefanski than Hue but you also saw what happened with Haley & Hue and provides context into what can happen..

For two, candidates have guaranteed money in their deals so any firing is really not an issue... They'll get theirs and the quickest way Flores gets back to being a head coach is through being a DC again not by a defensive assistant.. I don't think any potential turnover to Flores is of concern, nor to many of these candidates..

My main concern is this: How is Flores going to be looked at when the first sign of trouble hits next year? Say the Browns start 1-2, 2-3 or 3-4 -- anything less than what's expected... You can bet every caller on the radio, many media members and most fans will probably want Stefanski fired and Flores hired... To be honest, I think that's a motivating factor for those who see Flores as the guy -- they like him as a fallback option... While the Browns internally may not believe to be an issue we already know how incredibly toxic this town/team can become and the dynamic of what is perceived by some to be a better HC candidate on staff I can't imagine that it plays out well..

I also have to imagine internally how it would play out if they struggle out of the gate and Flores is on staff.. While Watson has said all the right things regarding Stefanski, it was well out there Watson wanted to be with Flores... What happens if the offense gets off to a slow start within the first few games, is Watson going to privately be pining for Flores to take over?

I just think the dynamic of a Stefanski/Flores is a true tight rope act with all the things orbiting around both of them... Things really have to go right, and go right quickly, for it to work well... There's just a lot under the bridge to consider and feels it has all the ingredients to provide us the latest coaching drama..

To be honest, it's part of the reason why I prefer Schwartz... I think he truly would be a complimentary and supportive piece for Stefanski... He's been a head coach in this league, he's ran a defense successfully (to a Super Bowl) next to a first time head coach and has did so in one of the fiercest towns (Philly)... He's likely at a point in his career where head coaching is off the table and isn't gunning to use this as a stepping stone (like Flores might be) for his next position.. There's something to be said for someone having accomplished a lot and being content with where they're at versus someone who is still trying to climb the mountain...

I just think a lot has to go right for Flores/Stefanski to work and I don't have all the confidence that Cleveland is that right place here and now..
At this point I just want the guy who I feel (which is entirely subjective) will get the most out of our defense from a schematic and effort standpoint. I think, as JJ3 said, they need someone who they'll run through a brick wall for. If that happens then I truly believe the offense will shine as they work off each other.

I don't really care about the politics as much because if we crap our pants and start off something like 1-4 then I wouldn't really care what kind of shake-up happens at that point. Fire everyone, who cares. I'm less of a believer that some kind of friction between Stefanski and Flores would overwhelm their respective offensive and defensive schemes enough to hurt the team.

I like Schwartz too. His scheme is definitely closer to Woods's, but I have no reason to believe he would be as incompetent. No matter the choice, I want someone who can lay the foundation for our defense for years to come. I'm tired of seeing Pittsburgh and Baltimore with elite defenses year in and out no matter what players are on the field and then watching our defense bottom out all the time.
 
Is "safe and logical" where the Browns should go with this choice? I'm not saying Schwartz should be out, but something about the title of this article feels disappointing. Maybe it's just me.
I'd say it's from a perspective of fit when you consider--

- Experience: Schwartz has head coaching experience, successful DC stops at several places and has won a Super Bowl as one... No one, maybe aside from Flores, has the type of proven track record
- Scheme: Schwartz isn't going to require the type of schematic and personnel overhaul that Flores, Mayo or Desai might to properly employ their schemes... You're likely looking at a quicker ramp up time to effectiveness and less personnel overhaul is needed... It's more tweaking and adjusting what's here..
- Less risk: I detailed above with Flores what could happen; you also have guys like Mayor or Desai who present risk when it comes to guys with less than a years experience of calling plays in a place where results are needed, and needed quickly.. The Browns don't have time to let a guy grow or develop into his role, they need results...
- Potential turnover: If Schwartz does well, I don't think a head coaching he's getting HC interviews on the next cycle.. If Desai, Flores or Mayo do well, there's a good shot they get interviews and you could see a turnover again at DC... If anything this organization strives for it's stability..

I think a proven/known commodity may be labeled as the "safe" choice but that doesn't properly convey the facts he's been an extremely successful defensive mind for many years now.. This isn't keeping status quo, it's elevating it with a proven coordinator... If DVOA's of 15th, 12th, 15th, 5th, and 4th is considered safe than sign me up..
 
Can someone help me out with names? I’m trying to remember coordinators who were hired, have a fired HC and then were made HC with that being any sort of planned/expected outcome?

Garrett and Frazier are the only ones that come to mind, and neither were really hired with the idea that they’d become replacement HCs? We keep hearing that with Flores, but it’s just not a thing, right? Hiring a coordinator with the expectation that they’d be the next HC?

IIRC, those two weren’t even new coordinators. They had been there a few seasons.
 
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